UFC star Paige VanZant launched her OnlyFans account in 2020 and now charges fans $9.99 per month to view her photos, saying she's made "life-changing money."

UFC star Paige VanZant said OnlyFans allows her to make ‘life-changing money’

    • Cato_the_Posadist@lemmy.world
      823·
      8 个月前

      UFC pays like shit for all but the top talent.

      Tbf, she was never at risk of being considered that so it doesn’t say that much about the pay scale vs OF.

      • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.worldEnglish
        33·
        8 个月前

        I always say the NFL is the worst sport for athletes because their bodies get destroyed in return for relatively little money (at least for everybody except the superstars), but that’s because I always forget about the UFC.

        • MammyWhammy@lemmy.ml
          17·
          8 个月前

          Still though a practice squad player in the NFL is clearing $500k+ a season. So it’s at least a decent amount of money. Is it worth the future health problems with no pension? Not my decision, but at least it is an amount of money where there is a decision to be made.

          MMA, Boxing, WWE… Haha go fuck yourself.

          • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.worldEnglish
            9·
            8 个月前

            Still though a practice squad player in the NFL is clearing $500k+ a season.

            It seems practice squad players actually make a minimum of $12K per week or $216K per season. Still not that bad compared to conventional jobs, but it’s not like you can have a 40-year career doing that.

          • WashedOver@lemmy.ca
            1·
            8 个月前

            And with the effects on long term brain health they have been unraveling in the past few years its a no dawg from me thanks. Unfortunately I’ve already gone through my sports playing days so it was already a yeah dawg.

        • jeffw@lemmy.worldM
          1·
          8 个月前

          Yeah, in the USA all the main ones do. Idk about less popular ones like lacrosse or even MLS though

    • Tedesche@lemmy.worldEnglish
      429·
      8 个月前

      I don’t think so. If it was a male UFC fighter, he’d stand no chance of making as much money as her on a site like OnlyFans. And the UFC is pretty good about equal pay based on gender.

      No, this is simply the newest iteration of one of the oldest truths in history: attractive women can milk desperate men for a king’s ransom any day of the week.

  • LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world
    1538·
    8 个月前

    She made that much because she’s a known fighter established within the UFC. UFC pays shit but it pays shit across the board unless you are a superstar.

      • LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world
        3916·
        8 个月前

        She’s making 50k a year + payouts from her fights.

        Assuming a 100k win bonus (it’s actually closer to 400 if you believe random books blogs and Internet rumors) even on the low side shes already made 1M in the past 5 years or so.

        Again estimating in their favor let’s say 60% of that goes to get camp and taxes. 125k a year for 3 fights is more than reasonable. It’s likely she is making more than that however.

        She isn’t very popular and would never be able to support her own card. She’s also used her popularity to get on network TV, and rake in a few million by getting laid. It’s not even porn shoots. It’s her own terms and partners.

        I’m not going to shed a tear for her. She’s set for life with any form of reasonable money management and clearly has leveraged her popularity from UFC and done well for herself.

        • Alexstarfire@lemmy.world
          131·
          8 个月前

          If true, how much did she make in 24h on OnlyFans. She said it’s more than her entire career. I can’t believe she made over 1M in 1 day on OnlyFans.

          • StillWatersPony@lemmy.world
            3·
            8 个月前

            It’s just 100k people paying 10 bucks each. It sounds like a lot of money but when you think about the numbers involved it gets really quite reasonable for someone in her position to do

        • Hoomod@lemmy.world
          7·
          8 个月前

          I’m forgetting which UK news channel it was but they had a successful OF person on, tried the “what will your kids think of you” and she replied “they can cry about it in a Ferrari”

        • Cosmic Cleric@lemmy.worldEnglish
          31·
          8 个月前

          It’s not even porn shoots. It’s her own terms and partners.

          To somebody who doesn’t know the industry, can you explain to me why that matters in any way?

          • mateomaui@reddthat.comEnglish
            11·
            8 个月前

            There’s probably a subtle difference between “exploiting yourself” and getting most of the money after OF fees, vs getting paid essentially minimum wage for a shoot which then gets repeatedly repackaged and distributed for the company that makes way more money off it than you ever did. Which on one hand is essentially the same as being any other actress, but also not remotely the same considering the material, and how many women regret being convinced to take part in it because of exposure and social backlash.

            • Cosmic Cleric@lemmy.worldEnglish
              21·
              8 个月前

              Would you like to shoot porn when someone you love and trust or a random person?

              For me personally it would honestly depend on if it was for work or for pleasure.

              For others, I have no idea.

              My understanding of the original comment I replied to with my question was concerning business/work.

          • DillyDaily@lemmy.world
            11·
            8 个月前

            Marketing, promotion, quality content generation - which in itself is a bucket load of work.

            You’ve got actual production work, setting up a decent lighting/camera/sound system for your content, preparing everything you need to film or run a quality live stream. Post production, editing takes longer than people think.

            But pre-production, there’s work to do on yourself, grooming and preparing physically, especially if you are going to be getting into anything fetish related, it adds another level of preparation (and possibly an extra level to post production clean up)

            It’s also not something you can always compartmentalise, I have a friend who does some generic feet stuff, she had to quit swimming and change her entire gym routine to allow herself to shower at home, because catching athletes foot meant she’d loose income. She has to choose her socks and shoes based on protecting the physical appearance of her feet. She can’t just chuck on some thongs (flip flops) in summer because her clientele don’t like the tan lines and are vocal about it.

            PR is important, you need to have time to engage with the audience, reply to messages and maintain the illusion of the parasocial relationship, to keep your subscribers keen. It can take easily take an hour a day to do if you have large enough fan base and want to maintain it.

            There’s a lot to like about the “person next door” charm of a low budget, low effort approach to nudes and clips, but that’s what most people on OF are already doing, so if you want real money you have to set yourself apart from that.

  • stella@lemm.ee
    588·
    8 个月前

    I think it’s sad seeing this considering all the women I know who have been suckered into making OFs only to make a few bucks from weirdos saving their nudes.

    Porn is the same, really. Most people who do porn make very little money from it, but still have to deal with their naked bodies on the internet.

    • polle@feddit.de
      37·
      8 个月前

      Seems like you should only do fans (and similar pages) if you already have a fan base in some other area. Otherwise it will end like you said.

      • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
        28·
        8 个月前

        Or if you just actually want to do sex work. It’s like camming. It can be a hobby where you pick up a couple bucks here and there. If you want it to be a job it’s going to be more like trying to make it as a musician or actor.

        In general if you’re more or less normal you aren’t going to make any real money as a sex worker. Either you aren’t famous or attractive enough or you aren’t willing to do what it’ll take to make better money or you won’t settle for the little you’ll get or be willing to deal with people who have odd fetishes, possibly of your body type.

    • ryathal@sh.itjust.works
      333·
      8 个月前

      All internet media is basically the same on pay. Most people on you tube or twitch don’t make much either.

    • ARk@lemm.ee
      91·
      8 个月前

      Yep, even more so if they had to due to unfortunate reasons. Though not entirely, it works the same way as any average person starting something likestreaming and thinking of making it big quick.

      I reckon she only had this much success due to having some level of popularity to begin with.

    • stella@lemm.ee
      1114·
      8 个月前

      Trust me, it’s not.

      For every story like this, there are literally millions where regular women make next to nothing for their nudes.

      Most normal women with OFs usually end up having a few subs from people they know who just want to distribute their nudes among peers. Imagine thinking you’re going to make thousands when you end up making less than $100, and now everyone has your nudes.

      That’s the reality for most people on OF. And it’s sad.

      • Aceticon@lemmy.world
        24·
        8 个月前

        It’s all down to exposure and even minor celebrity status can be leveraged to generate lots of views.

        You see a similar thing in the acting community: celebrity actors aren’t really better as actors than lots of unknowns out there (the quality all around of acting in places with very good acting colleges and a strong acting tradition, such as Britain, is really good) and often you get stories of people’s careers taking off due to a mix of luck and persistence, and once people are in the public eye their careers pretty much shift gears (for reference, the average actor in the UK earns in average less than minimum wage from Acting).

      • TheControlled@lemmy.world
        181·
        8 个月前

        If you consider “people having your nudes bad”. I’m sure some do/have but many just don’t care. My friend’s sister has one. I subbed to support her and because she’s hot. Unsubbed later because she was too expensive. Hung out with her at a party once and she didn’t give a flying shit I had seen her buck naked. We just talked about normal stuff.

  • Destraight@lemm.ee
    4514·
    8 个月前

    I can’t believe this stuff, because it is a fox “news” article. Why was this even posted here? How can we be sure that this is even real considering everyone on this post says you don’t make jack squat on that site

  • Limit@lemm.ee
    171·
    8 个月前

    OK but she wouldn’t be as popular and wouldn’t have made that much on OF if it weren’t for her time in the UFC. I mean she’s hot yea, but she’s famous because of her mma career.

  • Etterra@lemmy.world
    3144·
    8 个月前

    It’s amazing what showing your boobs can do for a woman. It’d be infuriating if not for all the gender-based discrimination and life endangering bullshit they also have to deal with. Instead it’s just another example of why we deserve the extinction we’re currently bringing down in ourselves.

    • Godric@lemmy.world
      33·
      8 个月前

      “Women showing their tits online is another reason humans deserve extinction” was not on tonight’s bingo card.

      • KredeSeraf@lemmy.world
        10·
        8 个月前

        “women feeling the legit need to expose themselves for others to make a good living is another reason we deserve extinction” might be a better explaination.

        But even if not for that, there’s lots of other reasons.

        • daed@lemmy.world
          2·
          8 个月前

          They don’t need to expose themselves online to make a good living though. I think it’s important to distinguish that - this is an easy and accessible way for most women to make a few extra bucks or a good living, but they don’t need to and there are plenty of options to make a good living that don’t require showing off your naked body out there.

          The middle class is being squeezed and many if not all jobs should pay more than what they do - not trying to debate that here. But to pretend women have no other options or somehow feel a need to do OF… Disingenuous at best.

          • KredeSeraf@lemmy.world
            2·
            8 个月前

            I’ll tell all those women who have tried basically everything else and still ended up there that because it’s not literally their only option they should just be okay with it. That our society has this problem to the tune of thousands or tens of thousands who all claim it’s the only way to make a livable wage is an enormous problem and censoring it with needless and pedantic clarifications like this is a big part of why our society is this way.

            • daed@lemmy.world
              1·
              8 个月前

              OF has only existed for 7 years. The lower and middle class has been struggling for much longer than this. Wages have been stagnant for much longer than this. What did these women with ‘no other options’ do before OF? What do the struggling men do?

              People almost always have options… They just may not like them. Let’s please all stop pretending these women are forced into or have no other option than OF. They are choosing to because it is a convenient way to make extra income. It’s a convenient side hustle. Why would they spend time creating a product to sell or learning a trade or skill when they can point a camera at themselves? Much faster and easier. And there’s nothing wrong with that - let’s just be honest when we have these conversations.

              • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
                27·
                8 个月前

                What did these women with ‘no other options’ do before OF? What do the struggling men do?

                They were forced to do other degrading things. Or illegal things. Or both.

                They still are; but they used to, too.

                Why would they spend time creating a product to sell or learning a trade or skill when they can point a camera at themselves?

                They literally are creating a product to sell. Camming is a skill. Don’t shit on sex workers.

                let’s just be honest when we have these conversations.

                Okay! All jobs are degrading! Your choices under capitalism are just different ways to sell your body and time and mind for a pittance, there is no dignified choice to make where you don’t have to sell yourself to survive. This isn’t new, OF is just a modern innovation of the same thing.

        • Godric@lemmy.world
          12·
          8 个月前

          Oh jeeze, that’s rough, a person showing themselves online for money, society must be truly be breaking down for that

        • Godric@lemmy.world
          41·
          8 个月前

          I genuinely feel rough for those with the incel mindset. It’s a no-hope, bitter mindset, where objectively good things for them are ideologically bad.

          Women having sex outside of marraige? Bad to an incel, while they should be celebrating the potential for casual sex. Chicks posing naked online? Bad for an incel, even though that’s their fap material.

          MFs literally just need a few nights off their ideology to not have sour grapes.

          • CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com
            1·
            8 个月前

            I think it’s more people confusing what other people do with what they want in a partner. They see someone they would want as a partner, they find out all sorts of dudes have been in her and that turns them off so they get irrationally mad. All in a matter of seconds

    • TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      114·
      8 个月前

      When I left reddit, I really thought I would see less incel shit. Guess I was wrong. How the fuck did this get 25 upvotes?!

    • crackajack@reddthat.com
      3·
      8 个月前

      I wonder if it’s just modern society that gives taboo to naked bodies. There are plenty of other societies whose people are buck naked and they don’t seem to think anything much about it. If there is no taboo on being naked, I’m sure Onlyfans wouldn’t make any money at all.

      • jasory@programming.dev
        11·
        8 个月前

        Plenty? Some societies have partial nudity as the norm, but this is the far minority, and even then it’s partial.

  • cricket98@lemmy.world
    2162·
    8 个月前

    It’s so cool that we are giving young woman the idea that they can make money by selling their body. I’m sure that is great for society.

          • cricket98@lemmy.world
            518·
            8 个月前

            I would say getting spitroasted on camera for the world to see is pretty degrading, and I think a lot of people share that opinion.

            • ARk@lemm.ee
              104·
              8 个月前

              Sorry bro but someone else’s feelings doesn’t seem to be for you and your friends to decide. But you’re free to simply see it that way

    • tswiftchair@lemm.ee
      256·
      8 个月前

      It’s so cool that we are Capitalism is giving young women the idea that they can make money by selling their body. I’m sure that is great for society.

      FTFY

      Whether doing sex work, manual labor, or a desk job, you are selling your body for profit. If you have a problem with that then you have a problem with Capitalism.

      • Godric@lemmy.world
        43·
        8 个月前

        Neat friend, can you please clarify what it is we are doing with our bodies under not-capitalism?

      • cricket98@lemmy.world
        717·
        8 个月前

        I’m sure all the girls who have their naked pictures permanently floating around the internet for creepy guys to jack off to are really happy with the 50$ they made doing so. For every successful only fans model there are 100’s who gave up their dignity for a permanent stain on their reputation that will follow them and their kids around for life.

          • cricket98@lemmy.world
            12·
            8 个月前

            What’s fucked up on my view of the human body? Did you respond to the right comment?

            • GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca
              1·
              8 个月前

              It’s kind of funny hearing you say that when some of the most famous paintings and statues are of people’s naked bodies. I’m not saying I’d do it or that people would want me to or that they won’t regret it any less than I regret some of the decisions I’ve made, but the biggest negative impact from doing so is social stigma from people who think doing so makes you less valuable. I’ll leave it up to you to decide if you’re going to stigmatize adults who are making choices about their life that pose no harm to anyone who hasn’t consented.

              • cricket98@lemmy.world
                11·
                8 个月前

                Do you recognize the difference between artistic pieces and pornography? One is art, the other exists solely to let perverted old men jack off to you.

                • GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca
                  2·
                  8 个月前

                  Okay, and? Is there someone forcing you to watch porn? Is there someone forcing you to make it? If not, then how about worry about your life and let other people worry about theirs.

    • Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee
      171·
      8 个月前

      You mean selling your body for fighting in UFC?

      The story of the opposite - she makes more money not selling her body!

    • buddhabound@lemmy.worldEnglish
      112·
      8 个月前

      Yo… You think people never thought about selling sex before this was posted on Lemmy?

      This is like giving people the idea of the wheel. I’d be willing to bet that human beings bartered for sex before they bartered for food or water.

      • girlfreddy@lemmy.world
        215·
        8 个月前

        … human beings bartered for sex

        I think you mean men bartered for sex before food or water.

        Women are smart enough to put their lives before sex.

      • cricket98@lemmy.world
        526·
        8 个月前

        Doing porn is a permanent stain on your reputation. I hate seeing young girls turn to it because of the easy money to be made. For every girl that has success on only fans is 50 girls who will have their nudes circulate the internet for eternity for a measly 100$.

    • Salamendacious@lemmy.worldOP
      113·
      8 个月前

      In my opinion people should be able to do what they want with their own bodies (with the exception of meth, crack, etc) my problem with this only fans situation is that it’s just underscoring that our society only seems to value women for their sexuality. I don’t follow UFC but assuming she’s good at what she does it’s sad to me that society values her body more than her abilities. The same thing goes for the only fans teachers. I just wished we valued people for their skills and education more than their flesh. Like I said do what you want with your own body though.

      • Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works
        5·
        8 个月前

        Why don’t I have the right to do whatever drugs I like? I know what I’m getting into, and it’s my body. A lot of psychiatrists preach the benefits of mushrooms and acid for mental health. And meth and crack certainly aren’t as powerful as mushrooms or acid.

        • Salamendacious@lemmy.worldOP
          13·
          8 个月前

          My personal opinion is that there are some chemicals that are so detrimental to a person that society has the obligation to limit their use. Also, there is no articulable right to drugs in the Constitution except alcohol through the 21st amendment.

            • Salamendacious@lemmy.worldOP
              13·
              8 个月前

              the Constitution and decisions by the supreme Court determines what your legal rights are. Your opinions are your own and you can base them on whatever you want

                • Salamendacious@lemmy.worldOP
                  1·
                  7 个月前

                  So there are two things at play here: rights and opinions. Legal rights in America are based on the constitution and the decisions made by the supreme Court. I’m not saying that they’re correct or not; justified or not; or ethical or not. I’m just making a statement of fact that’s where rights originate from in US law.

                  Opinions can be based on whatever you want. You are free to agree with or disagree with both the Constitution and the supreme Court. You can consider them valid or invalid institutions.

                  I’m not trying to tell you that you should be of a particular opinion or not.

      • cricket98@lemmy.world
        218·
        8 个月前

        The reason porn pays is because so few woman are willing to give up their dignity for the sake of temporary cash flow. If everyone did porn, people would be making scraps.

                • Salamendacious@lemmy.worldOP
                  8·
                  8 个月前

                  Your original comment:

                  The reason porn pays is because so few woman are willing to give up their dignity for the sake of temporary cash flow. If everyone did porn, people would be making scraps.

                  You’re making a basic supply and demand argument. As supply goes down (i.e. becomes scarce) and assuming demand remains constant the cost will increase.

                  If you’re selling apples. And 100 people want apples. The price you charge will fluctuate depending on how many apples you have. If you have 10 the cost goes up. If you have 1,000 the cost goes down.

                  My argument is pornography is not scarce. Meaning there’s a lot of it available (on the market) so I disagree with your assessment as to why “porn pays”

    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
      91·
      8 个月前

      Do you think that young women don’t figure it out on their own? I’m not saying this is a responsible article, but it’s more like a glowing article about how much oil field workers make. But sex work is old and young women have always figured it out.

      • cricket98@lemmy.world
        519·
        8 个月前

        I think we have yet to see the full impact of the damage to young women who were sold a dream of making money on only fans. Instead they will have their nudes permanently passed so disgusting old men can jack off to them. There is no undoing that and I suspect that will haunt a lot of girls far into the future.

        • kofe@lemmy.ml
          101·
          8 个月前

          You sure are doing women a favor by fear mongering over it and acting like it’s something shameful. With modern tech all you need is a picture of someone’s face anyway. And I say this as someone who has had content posted without my knowledge or consent. What exactly do you want me to do, live my life being “haunted” by this or tell people like you to fuck off and quit making it worse?

        • eupraxia@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          5·
          8 个月前

          Not on OF, but I’ve got nudes out there. I really don’t give a shit who sees em. I’m not ashamed of them. Where do you get the idea that irreparably damages women?

          • cricket98@lemmy.world
            13·
            8 个月前

            Cool, you have no shame for your actions. Glad you are able to live with your choices. A lot of people can’t though.