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    Pickups for non construction purposes are the dumbest shit ever. You literarily have half the car that is useless for transporting people.

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        lol right? Surely you couldn’t just rent one by the hour from Home Depot or some crazy shit like that… Oh wait, you can and it’s like $20. There really is no justification for the vast majority of personal truck ownership. It’s just a status symbol for trashy jerks. Although I suppose that technically counts as hauling a lot of trash.

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          If you actually need to haul stuff a van is vastly superior in most scenarios. The only use case that a pickup truck really makes sense for is for towing, but even then something like a range rover seems like a better option?

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            The biggest use case for a pickup over a van is loose materials like sand, dirt, etc. Ya know, stuff that suburban pickups usually aren’t carrying because the owner doesn’t want to get it dirty

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              Tilt trailers make transporting loose materials even better. Lower bed so loading is much, much easier, too. And these can easily be towed by sedans or vans.

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                Definitely, but we all know suburban pickup owners would be hiring someone to deliver the dirt anyway

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                I agree about trailers, but one full of sand will weigh too much for most American SUVs/CUVs let alone sedans.

                I’m pretty sure cars and non trucks are vastly underrated for towing in the US though, since the same cars in Europe often have 50%+ towing capacities. The excuse is always that our highway speeds are higher, but I suspect maintaining high truck sales has more to do with it.

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            Hauling trash, debris, or brush works way better in a pickup. I want to be able to hose the shit off and not have it inside with me lol But i agree that a van is better than everything else

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            I have a 2015 Honda Pilot with a roof rack. Can seat 8 and tow 4400lbs (probably not both at the same time, lol). I can also throw full sheets of drywall or plywood on the top (within reason). I’ve hauled 1000lbs of stone in it. Has no problem with 10ft PVC pipe or lumber. Thing is a fucking swiss army knife of a vehicle.

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            Have you ever been in a high roof van in high wind? I like the idea of vans as I can load motorcycles and keep them hidden but almost coming off the road was terrifying.

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            Not really. You can haul things upright in a pickup, which you can’t do in an SUV or van. If you’re going to be hauling lots of sheet goods a van interior will get trashed immediately, and most will have to have the back doors open for full sized sheets. A truck bed will hold up quite well and you won’t have to deal with tying back doors closed.

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              That’s not my experience. I bought a rusty, old E350 cargo van for towing a boat, but it’s useful for carrying materials. It’ll fit 4’x8’ sheets, and 10’ boards diagonally. Most of the pickup trucks that I see around these days have 6.5’ beds, and the suburban dad models have vestigial, 5.5’ beds.

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              Ever heard of trailers? You can rent one of these for cheap and haul whatever crap without needing to worry about your car interior. And any old sedan can tow a trailer, not to mention vans.

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                Trailers work, but they’re not easy to get in and out of wherever you’re going. Most cars don’t come with a hitch, so you’d have to add that as well. You don’t just tow a trailer around for fun, so if you frequently find yourself needing to move something or buy something with little notice it’s not a good solution. Then there’s parking.

                Listen, most people don’t need a truck. Or an SUV. Or a trailer. And no one needs a truck with a hood that’s 6 feet off the ground. Plenty of people use their pickup trucks a lot and the other options have massive tradeoffs.

                I own a trailer because I didn’t want to have to get a truck and I’ve found it inconvenient enough I’m looking at buying a truck in the next couple months.

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                Yeah that thing i need a license for and don’t know how to back up because i was never taught. We should all do that.

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          I had an Isuzu pickup once. I bought it because it was the cheapest new car you could buy: $4995 MSRP if I recall. No power steering or power breaks. Manual transmission. I think it had AC and an FM radio. Its fine for transporting 2 people and I rarely ever had a need for more than that.

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        Stop body shaming

        I’ll never stop calling you fuckers out on it

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          It’s a joke. And it’s metaphorical more than anything else. I have no desire to care about the size of anyone’s penis. The idea is that they are compensating for something, and those dudes are the ones who actually do care about that shit

          In the same vein, things can “suck dick” without it mattering who sucks dick and any value judgments were placed on that in the past. It’s an expression.

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            So you body shame women too or just men? Lol

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                I read it, but I just don’t know how to reply to your mental gymnastics

                In the same vein, things can “suck dick” without it mattering who sucks dick and any value judgments were placed on that in the past. It’s an expression.

                How is this the same vein as making fun of someone’s appearance? You have a choice to suck dick lmao. It feels so stupid to even type this out, that’s why I didn’t take the bait

                So what situations is it acceptable to make fun of how women look if this is so nuanced?

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                  …I never said there was nuance. It’s pretty simple. If someone chooses to be a shithead you can use their insecurities against them.

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          Honestly the older I get I kinda agree. Like the same as something being gay in place of lame.

          But gosh it does pack a punch. What is another thing we could say that summarizes what we’re trying to get across so succinctly without having to act like we have a psychology degree?

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            It’s only body shaming is they care.

            Speaking as an Asian in a honky dong world: even if I gave a shit there’s nothing I can do about it. Shame away, kings

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              Couple things super quick. 1) nothing screams “I don’t care” like fighting someone for several lengthy replies and

              1. the insecurity about your race is gonna turn women off way more than your size.
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                When did I ever say only femmes are tasting my lumpia? C’mon, homie. My diminutive oriental dingus is less lonely than you think.

                I’ve never had a problem with my race. Reading your weird rebuttal makes me feel downright chauvanistic. 2 quips is “several lengthy replies” if you’re not genetically predisposed to be good at math, i guess

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                  Bruh I got you and rab mixed up. This is why I try not to comment once my ADHD meds wear off.

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          Comments like this is what turns regular people “off” of the left.

          It’s a fucking joke, not everything needs white knighting.

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      Dude real shit I work in construction and I can tell you that you don’t even really need a pickup for that either.

      I mean it depends what you’re doing ofc but vans are what’s actually used as work vehicles for the most part. And those are generally company vehicles so for personal use you can drive whatever vehicle you want.

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          Which even then a 350 transit can haul our tractor.

          Really, the bed is only used for oddly shaped shit or stuff that is covered in mud. I was only in a work pickup truck as a new construction plumber, everything else has been a van.

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      I have a crew cab pickup (half ton), and yeah it has come in handy numerous times over the years. But I do agree those larger, “more rugged”, trucks are not for the people who own them.

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      “The only thing better than owning a truck is having no fucking reason to own a truck”

      It’s a statement. You don’t need to work; but you still could if you wanted to.

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      What if I never transport people? WTF do I need all these extra seats for? A giant grocery cart in the back is much more useful.

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        A cart that’s exposed to the weather and leafs and dust. Totally worth it…

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                Fucking get a van, then. You wouldn’t believe how much shit you can fit into a Renault Master, one of the most popular vehicle in Europe for contractors and other people who need to haul actual stuff, not their inflated ego. And Mercedes V-class has a very nice interior while still being able to haul more than an average american pickup “truck”. These vans can haul boats, too, easily.

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                  If I could have bought a work van for around what I paid for my truck, I would have instantly. But around here there are too may idiots buying trucks they can’t afford and dumping them later. Used market is way too good to pass up. Now it’s paid off and I shouldn’t have to worry about that choice for another 10-15 years.

                  Altho I don’t really get why people are so militantly “Get a van! Fuck a truck!”. Are you that concerned with other people’s form factor choices? Because vans with similar load/tow capacities as trucks are going to be just as big and take up just as much space in traffic. With worse visibility around them; As a pedestrian, a van blocks more of my view of traffic than a pickup.

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      And even for construction purposes, most trucks nowadays are kinda pointless. A 4ft bed is good for hauling like 1 bike placed diagonally, much less a typical sized piece of lumber or plywood.

      Can’t beg a place to sell you a 6ft bed unless you want to wait for it to come off the manufacturing line.

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        Don’t forget you have to lift that bike like 4ft to get to the tailgate on newer trucks! Can’t imagine trying to load a four wheeler on a newer truck without like folding ramps at least 2x the length of the bed so it’s not a vertical fucking climb.

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        Funny thing, you can put that bike into a BMW 3 Series no problems.

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      I believe it was in a not just bikes video, but he talked about how some large percentage of truck owners openly admitted they never use their beds for hauling.

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      Camping, hunting, dirt bike riding, moving, general utility and many other things done by most adults that don’t like to rely on other people. I don’t want to pay a moving company if I move, I don’t want to ask someone else if I want to tow my trailer out to camp. I don’t want to call some construction company everytime I need so much as a 2x4 to repair my home. Anyone who doesn’t own a truck will at some point rely on someone who does. It is not dumb as shit to own a truck for everyone. Not everyone lives the same life you do. I live in a rural area, I spent 6 months at one point in my life without a truck, I will never do it again. Probably 95% of the time I don’t need a truck, but when I need it, I need it. My daily driver is a beater car, most of the time, depending on logistics and weather. But if I had to only have one vehicle it would be a truck. A truck will haul 5 people, so will most cars but a truck can drive through weather and haul things when you need it. Although I am a middle aged dad in a rural area. 🤷‍♂️ I must be dumb.

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        “Probably 95% of the time I don’t need a truck, but when I need it, I need it.”

        This was the exact rationale I used to justify not getting a truck. I liked the idea of having a truck and being able to use it to move etc. but the fact that a smaller more economical vehicle would suit my needs 95 percent (more like 98-99.5 for me realistically) of the time swayed me in the other direction. I paid a good 30 percent less for the vehicle I have now and it gets 40mpg so I’ll save thousands in gas over the life of the vehicle.

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        You can rent a utility trailer for a day or weekend and tow quite a bit of weight with most vehicles. There’s rental trucks for the rest. I have an F350 and it costs a fortune to keep up. $150 fills, 15L oil capacity, tires are 400 bucks a pop. It adds up quick. Gonna be replacing it with a micro car and some rentals here and there.

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        I ride a bicycle in a rural area and built a new office this spring. With a trailer, store delivery or a $20 rental I don’t think I ever ran into any of the problems you describe. The bicycle has gone hunt camping rain or shine, I dirt bike, street bike and work a rugged job.

        If I really needed it I have the wife’s sedan which handles -40 winters and 50cm snow drifts just fine. Equipped with a roof rack and small trailer I can move myself just fine if the need is there.

        Aside from hauling large trailers or campers I fail to see the utility of a pickup as described. Even when hauling plywood or construction supplies I’ve opted for the home depot van before even considering a pickup. If I wanted a 2*4 sticking out of the end I would have taken the Sedan anyway.

        I think a lot of the truck owner mentality comes down to mental gymnastics or “What if?”. Aside from rare use cases it just doesn’t seem like the play. Even for yourself you mentioned the pickup is an edge case.

        These are all things people consider when talking about truck owners. The rest of the world can see life without pickups, can justify life without pickups and even prefers life without pickups but for some reason… Pickup drivers can’t stop talking about them as if they need to justify it to themselves more than to the world.

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        We’ll see but I solved that with a crossover and a trailer. I can tow up to 3500 lbs which covers all of that and I’m more efficient literally any other time.

        I did seriously consider a pickup but it just makes no sense day to day

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    Pickups today are huge monstrosities but I swear their beds are about as long as the one I had in my 1987 Ranger. When I did get a full sized truck, it had a longer bed because if you can’t carry standard sized plywood, sheetrock, and lumber, I’m not sure I’d want it.

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      for real. had a friend with a big relatively-new truck with a stubby bed try to have me help him move. I show up with my 2003 ford ranger, made before trucks primarily became male fashion accessories. he’d teased me about it before because it’s apparently a “small truck”. yet somehow barely anything fit in his toy truck and my “small” truck handled his couches and mattresses fine. teased him about his truck in return, used the ol “not the size it’s how you use it” line, and have never heard him talk shit about my little truck again.

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      Blame CAFE, the EPA (I like most of the EPA), and the Chicken Tax. Those three have basically made it to where the US can’t get the smaller trucks the rest of the world gets, has a fuel economy loop-hole for larger vehicles, and basically makes it incentivized for companies to make boxier, bigger vehicles in order to lower their average fuel economy standards. Most people I talk to want the ford Ranger from the 2000s brought back in size, but we literally cannot. The closest we got was the maverick (still too big comparatively) and that’s because they gave us a hybrid option and based it off the escape.

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        I’d probably blame regulatory capture as a whole than individual regs and agencies, but I agree. My feeling is that if you’re going to make a fuel efficiency regulation and then allow exceptions, they should be exceptions based on use, not based on class of vehicle. There should probably be additional fees/taxes, maybe applied annually.

        Otherwise, yeah, the incentives point in the wrong direction.

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        I had an Isuzu mini-truck that had nearly the same wheel base as my old mustang. That thing was sweet. I miss mini trucks.

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          I believe both are limited to a “crew cab, standard bed” configuration. A standard bed length being like 5’7” instead of the 6’4” which is the long bed size for 1500 and under and the standard size for 2500s.

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      I swear their beds are about as long as the one I had in my 1987 Ranger.

      So I asked my aunt for help hauling things back and forth to a convention this past spring. She has an enormous Ram pickup, I have a tiny little xB. A lot of the stuff I was bringing was stored in 45 gallon totes, and I knew from past experience that I could fit three in my car with the back seats folded down, and have room for thinner containers on top.

      Imagine my surprise when we go to load up the truck and find that it fit the same number of totes in the bed, and they just barely cleared the bed cover. The cavernous back seat helped make up for it thankfully, but I was floored that the cargo areas were comparable.

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      Those Rangers were death traps in anything more than 35mph. But then again most cars back in 87 were. So nevermind. Lol.

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    My son has a Mazda 3 hatchback and is often bringing stuff to work sites because the guy with the big truck and the bed cover can’t fit tall boxes in the bed

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      I’ve had trucks and now I have a mini cargo van.

      90% of the time the van is better, but that last 10% can be a big deal.

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        Yeah but you can just rent a truck for that last 10% with the savings from not buying the truck, and still have cash left over.

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          I mean… I still had to buy the van. And vans aren’t cheap.

          Overall I prefer owning the van because I’m mostly hauling tools and dive gear, but for people who haul plywood or tall objects more often than me a truck makes more sense.

          Vans hold lots of little things very well. They’re not great for real big things.

          Oh - and I really miss having a tailgate as a working surface.

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            Sure, but we are getting to the point where 99% of truck owners do not have needs that your van or a hatchback sedan couldn’t handle 90% of the time, all while using less fuel and being safer for everyone else on the roads.

            And when they need to haul 1 ton of dirt they can order it with delivery in a dump truck, because you never need just 1 ton anyway.

            So for the final 2-3 trips a year that actually needs a pickup they can rent for like 200 bucks total.

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              I think small trucks make a lot od sense, but they’re virtually impossible to find now.

              Ever notice how the old Ranger, S10, and Dakota left the market at the same time. Then a few years later the “small” models came back larger than the 2000s full-size trucks, which had gotten ludicrously large?

              There was a change in the CAFE standards that accidentally led to this mess. Lots of manufacturers were classifying vehicles incorrectly to cheat on their emissions numbers. The freaking PT Cruiser was classified as a truck by Chrysler.

              So the CAFE standards were changed starting in 2012 to be based on vehicle footprint. It closed one loophole, but created a massive new one. Trucks are inherently less fuel-efficient than more aerodynamic vehicles with different engines and transmissions. Making a small truck that met CAFE standards was really, really difficult. And on top of that, CAFE gets stricter over time, so it gets even harder.

              You know what’s easier than solving the efficiency problem? Increasing the vehicle’s footprint to improve the score. By making trucks bigger and bigger, they don’t have to make them more fuel efficient.

              It’s actually why the Ford Maverick has the hybrid engine as the standard and the traditional engine as the “upgrade.” With the hybrid as the standard they meet CAFE.

              The hybrid Maverick is probably the vehicle I’d own right now if they weren’t impossible to buy when I was last vehicle hunting. They’re affordable, get 40 miles per gallon, have 4 doors, and a small bed. It checks every box for me.

              But I’m pretty happy with my NV200. Though all the manufacturers have also stopped making small cargo vans now (Transit Connect, RAM ProMaster City, and NV200 are all discontinued), because their footprint is no longer large enough to meet fuel economy standards.

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            Overall I prefer owning the van because I’m mostly hauling tools and dive gear, but for people who haul plywood or tall objects more often than me a truck makes more sense.

            If those were the only people who bought trucks then I doubt anyone would have a problem with them.

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            Oh man you threw me back to some great memories of my old man. We had a minivan when I was a kid and he built a little slide out/folding table that perfectly so he could work on it like a tailgate. I used kneel in the back seat facing backwards and watch him do whatever. Man that thing was amazing for camping too.

            Dude was a pretty handy guy so not sure if that’s something you’d think about doing, but that shit was so cool and I haven’t seen anything like it since.

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          We rented a Uhaul box truck when we demoed an old hot tub. As a bonus, the truck was so cavernous, we also cleaned out the entire garage that day.

          $50 + gas.

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        2 months ago

        Ya, I was very close to getting a transit van but it was more expensive than a truck with the features that I need (awd and 4 seats). Truck gets better mpg too surprisingly. The truck just made a lot of sense for me, even though I think most people with trucks or SUVs would be better off with a minivan. I’m not going to bash truck owners though, buy what you want or need, but if you are worried about scratching the bed or your stuff getting stolen or wet you probably should have just gotten a minivan.