• ksynwa_from_lemmygrad [he/him, des/pair]@hexbear.netEnglish
    66·
    30 days ago

    I think even the “(he/him) ♥️🌈” connotations are pretty charitable. Biden himself does not seem very LGBT friendly. The Dems on the whole on the other hand just let the Republicans do the witch hunts rather than participating themselves.

  • BluefalconEnglish
    1·
    30 days ago

    One banned people due to religion the other didn’t.

    • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      83·
      30 days ago

      Good point, he didn’t.

      Biden used it to structure the new ‘migrant bill’ he’s going to sign.

      On the topic of Muslims though, he’s also actively facilitating a genocide of a majority Muslim nation, even circumventing Congress to do so.

      If your litmus test for what candidate to support is ‘which one might be the least terrible’, and that test leads you to actively support the one running guns and giving diplomatic cover to a nation engaging in ethnic cleansing, I think you need to re-evaluate things. And you are actively supporting him because you’re in here defending him. The president who is enabling mass murder.

      “Oh but Trump would do it too” that isn’t a defense for why Biden is doing it.

      • BluefalconEnglish
        2·
        30 days ago

        Moving goal post. One is dealing with a massive influx of migrants the other was used for “terriost”.

        Do we need to redo our immigration process? Absolutely, speaking from experience. Can we allow uncontrolled numbers from coming into the us? No. Is biden doing the best thing for the southern border. I’m not sure, experts seems to say no.

          • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
            65·
            30 days ago

            Only took 2 contentious replies for them to go from ‘religious ban bad’ to ‘uncontrolled immigrants are a problem’.

            And they claim to be a succdem lmao, they’re not even that, they’re an embarrassed conservative. Even most liberals don’t like this policy, it’s why ‘most experts’ by their own admission are against it. r/politics buries most articles on it.

            This idiot is just an out and about racist.

        • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
          55·
          30 days ago

          So labeling the “massive influx of migrants” as a “national security risk” like Biden has done, doesn’t count as a continuation and in fact enlargement of the previous “terriost” policy, why is one right the other wrong in your books? Is it because the team you don’t like did one and the team you do like did the other?

          Can we allow uncontrolled numbers from coming into the us? No

          So you believe imaginary lines in the sand are sacrosanct, even if it means putting people in concentrations camps, dividing families and enlarging the power of the state to literally hunt people for glorified jaywalking?

          • BluefalconEnglish
            1·
            30 days ago

            I’m looking at tens of thousands of people crossing over without a proper support system setup. I’m looking at people that will be targeted and have higher rates of abuse. Not everything in the world is black and white.

            • Antisocial_Socialist [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
              66·
              30 days ago

              So then the answer is to set up that support system and punish those that would target vulnerable migrants right?

              Oh no? You just want to punish people fleeing from violence and impoverishment inflicted on them by our own foreign policy?

              Cool. Face the wall please.

            • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
              47·
              30 days ago

              So you believe denying those people asylum, putting them in concentration camps, separating them from their families, labeling them criminals and national security threats and sending them back to death and absolute poverty is actually the state helping them? Is that seriously your claim?

              • BluefalconEnglish
                1·
                30 days ago

                No I believe this tread is filled with self jerking people that have zero solutions and have little to on understanding of how stuff works. People that have multiple accounts to make themselves feel better by clicking a button.

          • FunkyStuff [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            51·
            30 days ago

            You don’t understand, there’s a wormhole that’s producing 5.8e14 immigrants daily at the southern border. We don’t know where they came from and it shows no signs of stopping. There is no way we can possible manage those many people.

            Ah wait, Blackrock actually has bought up those many vacant homes anyway, so we could handle it, but that would make line go down.

          • BluefalconEnglish
            1·
            30 days ago

            Money, food, housing, medical care, education, disease… Pick one

        • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          47·
          30 days ago

          The post was about shutting down the border and deporting everyone, so…yeah I guess I ‘moved the goal post’ from where you already moved it to be (‘muslim ban’), but Biden is quite literally doing that, and he drew inspiration from that ban.

          No. Is biden doing the best thing for the southern border. I’m not sure, experts seems to say no.

          Then why are you here vehemently defending him and his fucking awful policies? Do you think you’re changing anyone’s mind? Or are you trying to convince yourself?

        • mayo_cider [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          33·
          30 days ago

          The goal posts are buried in 500 hundred feet of concrete, right in front of human rights, but unfortunately biden drove a fleet of mlrs platforms in front of the goal and aimed them at aid workers and civilians

        • Leon_Frotsky [she/her, undecided]@hexbear.netEnglish
          28·
          30 days ago

          Can we allow uncontrolled numbers from coming into the us? No.

          cryptofascist speech-l

          the “migrant crisis” is fascist propaganda that has exclusively been utilised to justify state brutality towards the most vulnerable section of society and to dehumanise anybody considered “not american enough” (immigrant or otherwise) in the US.

      • BluefalconEnglish
        3·
        30 days ago

        If you think trump would be different, think again.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
          59·
          30 days ago

          Difference was that when trump was in charge, there was wall to wall coverage of the atrocities US was committing. Then when genocide joe got in charge, crickets.

          • BluefalconEnglish
            1·
            30 days ago

            Funny BC I see a lot of news about biden, isreal, and Palestine.

            Now your argument that the media hyperfocused on trump for ratings is accurate. He is a lightning rod for views BC you either love or hate him.

            If you have a better polical system to replace this one then the floor is yours.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
              59·
              30 days ago

              If you have a better polical system to replace this one then the floor is yours.

              I do, it’s called communism and it’s what lifted over 800 million people out of poverty in China in just the past few decades. One has to be laughably ignorant to even ask such an absurd question.

              • BluefalconEnglish
                1·
                30 days ago

                China is a capitalism. China also has camps for Muslims and a 1 child policy that murdered a lot of kids. They have a system that watches their people and rates them.

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
                  44·
                  30 days ago

                  China is not a capitalism, but given your other comments it’s not surprising that you have no clue about China. Maybe spend a bit of time educating yourself instead of spewing nonsense on topics you have no clue about.

                • emizeko [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  38·
                  30 days ago

                  China is a capitalism.

                  no they aren’t.

                  China also has camps for Muslims

                  no they don’t. you are Hui off base.

                  and a 1 child policy that murdered a lot of kids.

                  if the mode of production gets some blame for individual crimes (as it should) this comparison is not going to come out in favor of capitalism. you just ignore the lives that were improved by socialist policy and ignore social murder when it’s done by capitalists. (btw the 1 child policy ended in 2016, your information is out of date)

                  They have a system that watches their people

                  :snowden:

                  and rates them.

                  shit someone call Robert FICO

                • Black_Mald_Futures [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  26·
                  30 days ago

                  China also has camps for Muslims and a 1 child policy that murdered a lot of kids.

                  Fun fact but the Uighers, along with every other ethnic minority in China, were historically exempt from the 1 child policy

                  If you had a brain this would lead you to question whether or not China is actually conducting a genocide

                  However,

                • FunkyStuff [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  51·
                  30 days ago

                  Awesome, yeah, you’re so right! I’m going to go vote in an American socialist to be president. Oh, you’re telling me that the entire American political establishment has made this course of action impossible by setting all manner of social institutions, from the press to the criminal justice system, in direct opposition to socialism? You’re telling me every single attempt to establish socialism by democratic means has been subverted and squashed by military operations backed by the US government and the US intelligence apparatus? And that these blatant affronts against democracy are still celebrated by reactionaries in Guatemala and Chile who spent decades murdering leftists for their brief time as the dominant political group, for the horrible crime of putting the means of production in the hands of peasants and workers?

                  You’re telling me that the only successful attempts at establishing a proletarian state had to “anti-democratically” suppress bourgeois political parties to maintain stability in the face of American imperialists? And that all avenues of peaceful revolution have been tried and inevitably lead to the forceful encounter and resolution of the historical dialectic between classes through violent revolution, just as much as this was the case in every major change of mode of production in history?

                  Dear golly me then, looks like those Marxists in Palestine, Cuba, the Philippines, Laos, Vietnam, the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, Burkina Faso, South Africa, Angola, and countless other countries that fought off colonizers aren’t just savages who weren’t capable of understanding the noble ways of the Western Left, and liberal democracy isn’t the way for workers to achieve political power. You’re not going to dismantle the master’s house with the master’s tools.

                • Adkml [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  42·
                  30 days ago

                  Buddy you are not doing democratic socialism any favors by being a racist piece of shit condemning immigration and then labeling yourself as a democratic socialist.

                  The people here already have a very very poor view of democratic socialism and you could not have just done a better job of reinforcing their point.

            • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
              33·
              30 days ago

              Funny BC I see a lot of news about biden, isreal, and Palestine.

              So there’s wall to wall anti-Israel coverage of the genocide from the mainstream media? There’s no media support for Biden and Israel, and all the outlets are reporting the atrocities accurately and with the appropriate language? So basically there’s no pro-genocide media anywhere to be seen in the west, is that your claim?

              • BluefalconEnglish
                1·
                30 days ago

                You know news is global now in days. We have the internet. Yes, there is coverage of what isreal is doing and how the US is supporting the genocide in the Gaza. Also how other countries are also supporting isreal.

                Now does the US have a media monopoly problem that is supported by certain groups? Absolutely. Your point is both do it but one gets a pass which is not true.

                • FunkyStuff [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  32·
                  30 days ago

                  There’s only like 3 major news outlet that are covering the conflict without just taking the IDF at their word: Al Jazeera, Middle East Eye, and sometimes Reuters. Al Jazeera has been the best but Israel has banned them from reporting in Israel. The US State Media has continued to report lies about the genocide like Hamas being the aggressor here, Oct 7th being unprovoked, etc. They fail to report on major events like Israel’s strikes on aid convoys, schools, and hospitals, yet when they do report on these conflicts they get their lines from the IDF who claim these civilian targets are Hamas, or that Hamas is using them as shields.

                  Acting like the media has been fair or free with regards to this genocide is pretty unhinged, you have to admit that they’re 100% complicit and that it’s very difficult for people who aren’t already clued in to left Tik Tok or other sources of news from a left wing perspective to get an accurate view of what’s happening.

            • ksynwa_from_lemmygrad [he/him, des/pair]@hexbear.netEnglish
              30·
              30 days ago

              Cmon man. Mainstream press has been nonstop talking about how Biden is upset at Netanyahu, how he gave him a stern talking to, how Rafah invasion would have been a red line, how he is trying to broker a peace deal (that Hamas put forth and Israel outright rejected), etc. etc. while Biden is giving Israel god knows how many tonnes of bombs per day. If you think Biden is getting the heat he deserves for perpetrating a genocide then you are off your rockers. If it wasn’t for the multitude brave protestors the media would have probably even cheered for Biden’s role in this brutal ethnic cleansing.

          • BluefalconEnglish
            3·
            30 days ago

            Most liberals are white people that pretend to support social issues as long as it’s not in their neighborhood. So yes

              • BluefalconEnglish
                1·
                30 days ago

                No my argument is certain people like to hold fake banners as long as their way of life and money aren’t affected.

        • FunkyStuff [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          32·
          30 days ago

          Awesome, I thought again, and the genocide is still happening. Looks like failing to think beyond electoral politics is useless as always.

          If all the choices you’ve been offered lead to countless children getting slaughtered to make Lockheed Martin and Boeing more money, you have a human duty to reject that system and wield political power outside of it you spineless lib.

    • FunkyStuff [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      46·
      30 days ago

      So when Biden expands the border policies that just 4 years ago a lot of libs could get together to agree were genocidal, it’s perfectly fine because it’s done on the basis of general racist assertions that immigrants are criminals instead of specific Islamophobic tropes? There’s nothing wrong with border patrol officers deciding to send people to starve, deporting them into conflict stricken regions, and separating families, just as long as these things are done to all brown people, not just Muslims? We wouldn’t want to discriminate, would we?