The motive behind Jovanovic’s actions was reportedly her fear that motherhood would jeopardise her professional career as a lawyer for a prestigious car brand.

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      Sounds pretty awful, but remember that prosecutors don’t have ESP. So “prosecutors claim she didn’t want to jeopardize her career” is not the same as “she didn’t want to jeopardize her career”.

      It’s not like she wrote in her diary “Today I killed my newborn because I thought it would interfere with work.”

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        Yea I don’t think many are as focused on the motivation part as much as the lady defenestrating a fuckin baby.

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          That’s fair. Pure unfounded speculation: I wonder if there was an element of post partum psychosis.

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            My guess: didn’t know she was pregnant until very late. Options were dwindling or nil. She was completely and insanely career obsessed and career-anxious.

            Arrives the last month or two. Pregnancy is hard to ignore then, but it was probably daily terror and panic as she didn’t know what to do. She probably felt cornered, insane with anxiety and barely holding it together in a field that doesn’t give you any room for error.

            By the time she has to deliver, her brain is likely already pure soup from the anxiety, obsessing with how she can’t handle it, how it can’t be happening, how she can’t be a mother, doesn’t want to be a mother, can’t - not doesn’t want to, but can’t! CAN’T you understand?! - stop to work.

            So she delivers secretly. By this point she’s too far gone, mentally a complete mess, insane, unstable.

            So she kills her newborn.

            Not as a heinous premeditated act of hatred, violence and mischief, but as a completely insane act of post partum depression, psychosis, work related anxiety and sheer craziness.

            She didn’t choke or shake the baby then dug a grave at night - she didn’t do some elaborate crime and elaborate body-hiding shenanigans.

            She threw. The. Baby. Out. Her. Own. Window.

            And she’s a lawyer.

            There was no attempt whatsoever to not get caught or to act surreptitiously.

            Just pure terror, psychosis and a horrible, tragic impulse that ended up terminating a new life and ruining another.

            Sorry i got carried away lyrically lol.

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            " Hoech claimed Jovanovic was unaware of her pregnancy and overwhelmed by the sudden birth."
            How can one unaware of her pregnancy until give birth ?

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              You think you would notice missing 9 periods, having your entire nipple area change color and produce milk, need to go pee every thirty minutes, feet swelling, rapid temperature changes, focus problems, food cravings, vomiting for three months, odor sensitivities, not being able to tie your shoes, weird fast reflexes, urge to take on home repair projects, and skin changes.

              But I am positive someone here will tell me about their friend’s cousin former yoga instructor’s roommate who didn’t notice for some reason and act like this is the norm

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                  No joke I have a friend of mine who just went to sleep one night and woke up with a baby covered in blood crying on her bed, umbilical chord still attached… Glad she doesn’t roll over in her sleep

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    As fucked up as this is, there’s so little information given by this article that I can’t even form an opinion on it.

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    You know what else I bet would jeopardize her professional career?

    Also that’s murder, not manslaughter.

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    birth took place ten minutes prior to the tragic incident

    Bro got spawn-killed

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    Hmmm. It looks like Germany has fairly strict limits on the availability of abortion; it’s on-demand up to 12 weeks, but requires mandatory counseling first. It seems like perhaps expanding abortion access to on-demand up to the point of realistic fetal viability and eliminating the counseling requirement might–might–have led to a different outcome here.

    I wonder if she had attempted to terminate her pregnancy prior to this point?

    For the people saying that she should have just adopted the infant: that’s extremely difficult for someone to do, even if they know that they don’t want a child or are not capable of caring for it. I’ve seen multiple teens end up keeping children that they didn’t plan on, didn’t want, and had no means to care for, all because they couldn’t go through with an adoption in the end.

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      The government has called up an expert committee and asked for their opinion on potential reforms.

      The report came in April, and it strongly suggests making it actually legal in the first 12 weeks (it is currently only decriminalized) and getting rid of the mandatory counseling. They leave it up to the lawmakers to deal with week 12 to 22 (where the fetus starts being able to sustain itself).

      The government has not yet started on n implementing this, however.

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    Lots of heartless people in the comments who didn’t read her side of this. Honestly, I sympathize with her almost entirely.

    She didn’t know she was pregnant. This is something that happens to women of her size sometimes. Not all pregnancies have the telltale symptoms. Sometimes you learn about your pregnancy as you’re going into labor.

    It’s rare, but it absolutely happens.

    She went from having a normal evening, to giving a natural birth alone in her apartment in a matter of about 20 minutes. She went from thinking she was having cramps to holding her newborn baby.

    Within 10 minutes the baby had been dropped out of a window.

    The amount of trauma this woman experienced, combined with the extreme and often immediate postpartum mental health issues, including psychosis, absolutely led to her making a completely irrational and tragic decision. I find it hard to swallow that she deserves punishment as if this were a long thought out plan to kill a child. This was a poorly handled crisis handled by a traumatized woman in a fugue state. She was not in a sound state of mind.

    She doesn’t deserve prison, she deserves compassion for what she’s suffered and treatment for her mental ailments.

    That they interrogated her and used her panic over her career against her as if she schemed to kill a child to further her career is honestly a disgusting angle to try to punish this woman. They opportunistically grilled a woman experiencing trauma so that they could throw the book at her.

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      She murdered a baby. She needs rehabilitation, help, sure, but it doesn’t get much worse than baby killing, imo.

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        She was convicted of manslaughter, not murder. Even the courts that I am criticizing aren’t going as far as you.

        Regardless, whatever emotional response you have to the death of the baby shouldn’t matter in comparison to the circumstances and motives leading to it.

        Your zero-tolerance for “baby killing” is what lands women in prison for miscarriages.

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    I guess she didn’t think infanticide would hurt it? She’s clearly not a good lawyer.

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    We need to make it so women don’t have to feel this way…I thought Germany was fairly progressive like that, but obviously not enough.

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      I mean sure but I think there’s a few extra steps between “feeling” this way and fucking doing it.

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      You can give someone access to all the help they need, but if they don’t seek it out, there’s not much you can do about it. It sounds like post partum depression may have played a role, that is real, but you can’t force someone into treatment.

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      I hope you’ll agree with me that there are alternatives before throwing your newborn baby off the window as if it was a fucking napkin.

      Even abandoning it in front of a church is more humane than what this bitch did.

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        Don’t know this lady’s story. But post natal psychosis is a real tragic thing that can happen. This isnt the action of someone possessing their faculties.

        Why when abortion is available would you carry to term -and then so impulsively act? If for whatever reason she didn’t want the baby and couldn’t get the abortion, she had months to come up with a better plan than ‘throw it out a window’. Either she was undiagnosed with something the whole time, or the birth triggered a psychological episode imo.

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        Yes, she’s obviously seriously disturbed, but the situation of women either having a career or family is the driver behind her actions. There needs to be systematic support so women can have the same opportunities as men.

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          Apparently the career narrative is something the prosecutors put forward. She yeeted the baby just a few minutes after giving birth, there was something else going on here. If she was clear of mind and still wanted to kill the baby because of her career I’m sure this would not have been the first option.

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          Literally why she did it, but bring on the downvotes. Fuck this place is getting like Reddit.