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Firefox now has Terms of Use! This'll go over like a lead balloon. > You give Mozilla all rights necessary to operate Firefox, including processing data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice, as well as acting on your behalf to help you navigate the internet. When you **upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information** to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/firefox/ **Update:** See below in the thread for their clarification.
    • Zerush@lemmy.mlOP
      6·
      7 hours ago

      Yes, but even more important to avoid sync with an Mozilla account, if you need the sync function (maybe Filen?) (Vivaldi has an own sync EE2E)

        • anon@lemmus.orgEnglish
          1·
          4 hours ago

          That’s the best free option, and possibly best option overall. I’ve been with them for about five years now and it’s been great.

        • lemminator@lemmy.todayEnglish
          1·
          3 hours ago

          You can, but the last time I did that the instructions were incomplete, and you still had to auth through Mozilla. That was a few years ago, so things might have changed since then.

    • Auli@lemmy.caEnglish
      12·
      7 hours ago

      Or why do they have a world wide right for anything entered into Firefox.

    • Domi@lemmy.secnd.me
      27·
      9 hours ago

      This doesn’t make any sense to me either. Why do they need a license for what you type into Firefox if that data never gets shared with Mozilla?

      I don’t know a single application that you need to give a license to so they can handle your data locally.

    • rtxn@lemmy.world
      212·
      10 hours ago

      We’ve seen a little confusion about the language

      Tastes like “I’m sorry you feel that way”

      The privacy notice document lists how each data type is used. It includes in-browser ads on the new tab page, AI chatbots, and “to market our services”.

      • HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        7·
        10 hours ago

        I’m glad I use a fork, even if it much more unstable. Kind of want servo to become stable and someone to make a browser based on that.

        • poVoq@slrpnk.net
          4·
          7 hours ago

          Igalia is currently working hard on making it easy to use Servo as an embeddable browser engine similar to how Chromium can be used.

          The problems of doing that with Gecko, the browser engine that powers Firefox, is main reason why there are so few alternative browsers based on it.

          • Zerush@lemmy.mlOP
            3·
            6 hours ago

            Also because Blink is the best and most advanced engine. The problem of Chromium is only that it need to gut out the Google APIs before it is a valid base for an browser. Vivaldi does it, also degoogled Chromium and even EDGE (but in change filling it with a ton of M$ tracking APIs). The only alternative (Linux only) is the Konqueror Browser with the Grandfather of Blink, KHTML by KDE (German company).

            • HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
              2·
              6 hours ago

              The problem of using blink is that then you give more power to google. They are the ones developing it, so they can decide what goes in it… cough jpegxl cough…

        • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6·
          8 hours ago

          Kind of want servo to become stable and someone to make a browser based on that.

          Maybe that’s why Mozilla quit contributing to it.

  • Kyrgizion@lemmy.world
    602·
    11 hours ago

    God dammit, and just as Google starts enforcing manifest 3. Maybe it’s time to stop doing this internet thing altogether. It had a pretty nice run but right now it’s just a propaganda and compliance tool…

    • ERROR: Earth.exe has crashed@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      7·
      6 hours ago

      Bring back ham radios.

      Ah shit I’m too introverted to use my voice…

      Data packets through radio?

      Btw: Rattlegram is a Android/iOS app that can convert text to audio, which you can then play over a ham radio. You can use encryption before you paste the ciphertext into Rattlegram. (Encryption over radio is illegal in many jurisdictions tho… 🏴‍☠️)

    • anon@lemmus.orgEnglish
      3·
      5 hours ago

      I was on the verge of deleting everything online, including my email address, because I’m with you, but at what point does the privacy movement start intruding on enjoyment of daily activity. I’ve accepted that my information will be had in exchange for a good product.

      It’s not exactly how I want to operate, but also, life is too short. Ultimately, I’m on the verge of using Mullvad Browser, Mullvad VPN, and probably getting my email hosted out of some small shared hosting platform somewhere.

      I think about this type of stuff daily and it’s just exhausting. The Internet has transformed into what we’d hoped it wouldn’t over the past five years.

    • over_clox@lemmy.world
      123·
      11 hours ago

      From my understanding, they’re pushing this shit on March 14th.

      π

      Also our next lunar eclipse, at least in the USA.

    • kixik@lemmy.ml
      9·
      8 hours ago

      do you mean you use a more privacy oriented fork like Librewolf, or instead some chrome/chromium derivative or fork?

      • Zerush@lemmy.mlOP
        71·
        6 hours ago

        Yes, but also non existent US privacy policy. There the users are simply raw material for the benefit of large corporations and user rights an incomprehensible communist phrase, to make America great again. The EU at least put limits to these abuses.

        • umbrella@lemmy.ml
          2·
          1 hour ago

          because US capital decided so. notice that the limits the EU has are slowly being undermined.

    • sanpo@sopuli.xyz
      23·
      10 hours ago

      That website actually promotes Firefox, you know. Not sure it fits this thread.

    • Auster@thebrainbin.org
      5·
      10 hours ago

      If you’re sticking to Firefox-based browsers, Waterfox seems to be the fork closest to Firefox without being controlled by Mozilla.

    • Zerush@lemmy.mlOP
      22·
      9 hours ago

      I use Vivaldi (EU), it has an inbuild adblocker. In chromium browsers Mv3 means that Mv2 Extensions are eliminated from the Chrome Store in June this Year. Mv3 adblockers are still there, there is uBO light (same as uBO, but without element picker) and Adblock Plus, which is pretty equivalent to uBO. The inbuild ad/trackerblocker (customizable with own filterlists or those from uBO, DDG, AdBlock plus and others) in Vivaldi isn’t affected by Mv3 and pretty effective (>99% in the test). In extensions other than those related to security and privacy, it’s irrelevant for the user if they are Mv2 or Mv3 and mostly redundant in Vivaldi.

      If you prefer Gecko browsers, the only one from the EU is the Mullvad Browser (Sweden), which can still use uBO, but also Gecko Browser will not support Mv2 all eternity because the related different cookie management used by most webpages with Google APIs, also apart from the will of the devs to continue developing MV2 for a minority engine, such as Gecko (~ 4% Market Share).