I had to look up the first guy
On May 15, 2024, Harris joined a Zoom call court hearing from his phone while he was behind the wheel. Since June 2023, Michigan’s “hands-free” state law makes it “illegal to manually use a cell phone or other mobile electronic devices while operating a vehicle on Michigan roads.”
Presiding Judge J. Cedric Simpson straightforwardly asked the defendant, “Mr. Harris are you driving?” To which Harris replied, “Actually, I am pulling into my doctor’s office,” adding, “so just give me one second, I’m parking right now.”
Nearly a minute later, Harris informs the court that he is stationary.
After looking through the paperwork, which includes Harris’ record, Simpson says, “Okay, so maybe I don’t understand something, this is for driving while license suspended?”
“That is correct, your honor,” the defendant’s lawyer, Washtenaw County Assistant Public Defender Natalie Pate confirmed.
“And he was just driving. And he didn’t have a license,” Simpson said. He appears to smile and hold back a laugh.
Moments later, Simpson shook his head in disbelief, saying, “I don’t even know why he would do that. So, defendant’s bond is revoked in this matter.” He added that Harris must turn himself in to Michigan’s Washtenaw County Jail that evening.
C’mon, man, it would’ve been better to be late by a few minutes than to show yourself driving with a suspended license to the goddamn judge.
Watching his lawyer and the judge trying so hard not to laugh is the funniest goddamn thing.
Also these two:
My favorite part is right after the judge says “and he was just driving, and he didn’t have a license,” when you can see the realization that he just incriminated himself (further) wash over Harris’ face. 🫤 😮 😬 “…oh.”
Actually, I’m thinking that face is the “what? It’s not a big deal” expression people have when they think they’re entitled and they just found out they’re not.
Maybe. Either way, it’s comedy gold!
Is there a video? Preferably with Benny Hill theme song?
Lmao the judge dropping pen 🤣
My favorite part is the “oh my god”
Maybe the guy just might be way too used to driving everywhere without thinking, almost like a muscle memory at this point.
Apparently his license had been restored in 2022, but due to a clerical error it was still listed as suspended. That’s part of the reason for the hearing.
Incase anyone reading hasn’t heard yet: the dude never had a license. He had a “suspended license” but getting that doesn’t actually mean you ever had a real license. He’s also renewed his ID every year. He’s just never gotten his license for no good reason.
Supposedly he was driving his wife to get some urgent care. I dunno what the facts are here, but yeah. Not the best look.
Think I heard about it here: https://www.wxyz.com/news/hear-from-the-man-caught-driving-during-virtual-court-hearing-for-suspended-license
Is there a source for that? I checked a few of the more recent articles and didn’t see anything.
7 News Detroit asked Harris what was he thinking when he made his appearance in court via video where he was seen driving.
“What was I thinking? I was thinking about about getting my wife medical help. That’s what I was thinking,” Harris said. “I wasn’t thinking about the fact that I got a suspended license. I don’t care about all that.”
… Harris told us that he never should have been charged with driving on a suspended license last fall, and he blames the mix-up on Saginaw Friend of the Court.
“They were supposed to have been lifted it two years ago, but they didn’t,” Harris said.
Secretary of State records show Harris’ license was first suspended in 2010 for unpaid child support in Saginaw County.
Then in 2022, court records show that a judge rescinded that suspension, allowing Harris to drive again. But it appears that information never got to the Secretary of State where even as of Thursday afternoon, Harris’ license is still listed as suspended — the same records police and the judge were going by.
…“Always double-check behind these workers because they will say that they will do something and they don’t do it,” Harris said.
Wow… thanks for more context! So a state agency error results in the judge and prosecutor not having the correct information, but how does the defense attorney not look that up? Maybe overworked, but I would hope for more… And Harris should’ve spoken up himself that the suspension was lifted on this date by this agency! He could’ve also just said- I’m driving legally right now. That would have allowed the lawyers to look into it more.
No he wasn’t.
Where do you get that from?
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Nothing in your link gives a sob story about a sick wife.
Never said that.
on the other hand how is one supposed to live without being able to drive in the us?
It’s pretty damn hard, no doubt. But that doesn’t mean everyone should be able to drive by default and we should just do away with driver’s licenses (or whatever you may be suggesting)
Also, it’s pretty stupidly easy to get a license here, and easier yet to keep it.
if i’m suggesting anything it would be public transit.
if some guy is prohibited from driving but has no alternative to go to the doctor, he will just risk it and drive anyway. makong the punishment ineffective and possibly turning it into a snowball for the driver.
Even if he “had” to cheat and drive, he could’ve chosen to be like a minute later and call from anywhere except a driver’s seat of a moving vehicle.
yeah he could not have been dumb
You know what’s funny? You calling him dumb, when it was probably someone exactly like you, with your subpar reading and comprehension skills, that made the clerical error showing his license was still suspended when it had actually been restored.
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It very much is possible, and this coming from someone who walks with a cane.
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That doesn’t excuse driving with a suspended license, unless you’re at the level of “Abolish driving licenses” Libertarian Party style; licenses are a basic safety precaution and suspending one is supposed to reinforce the seriousness of the offense of unsafe and illegal driving.
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You can drive in the US without livestreaming it to your judge (shocking, I know).
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Do you live in Michigan where this guy lives
No.
or do you live somewhere with sidewalks and some level of public transit?
Fuck no.
Who asked for your judgement? Do you know why his license was suspended?
No, but the purpose of licensing and suspensions is to ensure safety on the road; “It was okay that he was driving on a suspended license because living in the US without driving is hard” completely ignores the point of licenses to begin with. If you’re a proponent of no licensing, then at least you’re consistent - if you aren’t, then this was still quite clearly a fucking stupid move on this guy’s part.
I had mine suspended once because I dared to buy car insurance in a different state than the car was registered. Does that make me an unsafe driver just because I didn’t know you had to register the cars before transferring insurance?
Yes, actually, since insurance is part of safety on the road, considering you’re driving a multi-thousand dollar (at minimum) piece of machinery with the speed and weight necessary to crush a human being like a bug if your attention is distracted at the wrong time, even if through no fault of your own. Most states mandate that your insurance, well, cover the car you’re driving in order to be allowed on the road.
While true it’s completely irrelevant to the question you’re answering.
Oh, in that case, I suppose the question I answered is also irrelevant to the original comment I fucking made, which was about not livestreaming breaking the law to your court appointment.
Weak-ass comment.
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The question referred to the US as a whole. The specific state of Michigan was not a condition of the inquiry.
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Do you know why his license was suspended? Surely, your situation was annoying and probably unnecessary. This does not mean that your situation applies to most license suspensions. On the contrary, most license suspensions are a result of reckless driving or other offenses.
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People are allowed to insert additional irrelevant remarks as they please. This is a public online forum, not an institution or formal establishment. In the same way, I can tell you to get over yourself. Who asked for your judgement? Do you know exactly what the original commenter was looking for in a response?
Stfu :)
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Rare in the US
Push for more public transportation?
The solution to your immediate personal problem is to work towards a cause I support.
that was sort of my suggestion
“Just move to another country”
I know people with a single non-violent felony and are destitute. This mother fucker has 34 and has a chance at being president. Dying empire led by bad people is exactly right.
But he can’t vote anymore. Oh thank God for that!
Felons in New York can vote as long as they’re not incarcerated.
Nah he can still vote, it’s NY
Isn’t he a Florida resident?
Florida’s voting rights rule for felons convicted out of state is to follow the laws of the state in which they were convicted.
Oh okay. Well hopefully someone will slash his tires. I assume that’s the proper thing to do when you’re clearly corrupt but the law doesn’t apply to you. It’s just an assumption.
I think a guilty verdict of 34 counts still only means 1 felony conviction. Plus there is still the appeal unfortunately…
This isn’t about the justice system. It’s about the average American voter.
It’s also about the justice system. If you are I commit multiple felonies, will get locked up. If we tried screwing around in court that much, if we were held in contempt multiple times, the same result would occur. But he’s rich and famous, at least for now, so he gets away with it, or at least he gets away with it for a lot longer.
The constitution is written to protect the people from the government. Whether or not it should still be taken at face value is another conversation. The reason a felon cannot vote but can run for office is to keep legislation honest and prevent, for example a power hungry sitting president or any official, from passing laws that would be used to incarcerate the opposing candidates. It’s to keep Trump from saying anyone with a last name rhyming with riden is a convicted felon and cannot run for office. It’s what Putin does year in and year out.
Bruh…
His license was suspended and the hearing was to delay his reporting to jail by 4 weeks…
And he didn’t show up to the courthouse like he was supposed to, then face timed in while driving…
He was already sentenced to jail, he just didn’t have to report yet.
Like, the court date wasn’t just for driving with a suspended license. It was for whatever caused him to already lose his license and get sent to jail.
So the judge ruled against his request for delay and ordered him to report to jail that evening.
Yeah to be real, that first guy definitely fucked up bad. I’m not gonna pretend he’s some kind of poster child for anti-maga.
I’m still against carceral punishment though.
Pretty sure the hearing wasn’t about asking for an adjournment, and the public defender tried to end the hearing by asking for an adjournment because her client was a dumbass.
I assume he was there to get a summary ruling on the misdemeanor- or maybe try and convince the judge to let it be a fine or something.
Which the judge ignored, because he ain’t stupid either.
Edit- it was just a misdemeanor, unless he hurt someone while driving. So it would have been a max of 93 days and/or max of 500 bucks. Almost certainly less than that- and at least here, it’s a “pay this standard fine or you can go to jail.” (I’m not in Michigan, mind,)
Yo let this man be. He wasn’t driving without a suspended license. The judge was working on false information.
Even if we ignore the whole “suspended license” part of it, he still showed up to court breaking MI law by using a cell phone while driving. Thinking he is going to avoid ridicule for this is a pipe dream.
Don’t forget he was also found liable for rape.
Jesus fuck the laundry list of shit you could pin him with is endless so why the fuck would you need to make shit up? They literally did not find him liable for rape. He was found liable for sexual abuse. Why fuel the fire of misinformation when it’s the fire the person you are speaking out against thrives on.
to be fair plenty of liberals and other non-abolitionist folk probably also had the top reaction 🙃
This has nothing to do with US justice system. And everything to do with MAGA.
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I hate Trump with a passion but I’ll play devil’s advocate here.
Not all felonies are equal. And I bet all of you have different feelings about different convictions. For some, bribing a pornstar to keep quiet about an affair just doesn’t seem like a big thing, a morally ultra wrong thing, something that would disquality you from running for presidency of a country.
Einstein cheated on his wives and was a huge asshole. That doesn’t make his accomplishments as a scientist any less valid. Should we denounce the theory of relativity because he was morally or ethically corrupt?
Let me tell you Trump’s story from the eyes of a Trump supporter here: The guy had an affair long time ago and he knew that this getting public would make him look bad despite being a genuine guy with good intentions for his country. So he did what every red blooded American would do, he asked the mistress not to tell anyone. He paid her for that. He had to get that money from somewhere so he had to falsify some books.
I understand how disgusting this is, but for an average Joe this can be very well understandable and morally forgivable. You might disagree (you might also know more details and context than the average Joe) but at the end of the day everyone’s moral compass is different. And affair and hush money might just not be that big of a deal in the grant scheme of things. It might not be something that big that it should keep you from voting for a candidate. He didn’t murder someone! after all.
And honestly, in some way I agree: Trump did so much bad shit that he should be in prison for, but the hush money thing is just not the Big One I want to see him convicted for.
As others pointed out, convicted felons should be able to run for presidency to avoid political imprisonment of opponents. This is literally what happens in Russia all the time. You want to run for something? Either you filed some paperwork wrong and cannot run as a candidate, or you get thrown into jail because of corruption or extremism or taxes, or you get assassinated. Often one follows the other.
Apart from that, I firmly believe in rehabilitation. Fuck Trump, but I’ll be damned if in a couple of years some amazing dude could not be running for president because he was thrown to jail for drugs or stealing popcorn or some other crap when he was 18. Even for major crimes. If you have served your sentence and show remorse you should be able to integrate yourself back into society with somewhat of a clean sheet. We fuck the lives over of ex felons big time and it is such a shame.
I just lost brain cells. It’s campaign finance violations, not an affair. Also, the government doesn’t just get one shot to convict someone. It’s not “the big one” but he’s still under threat for other actions he chose to take.
It’s campaign finance violations, not an affair.
Thank you.. I blame the media for this. Every article and talking head referred to it as the “hush money case” instead of “campaign finance fraud.”
I absolutely agree. Please don’t take my comment above as my actual opinion on Trump. My point is exactly this - for a Trump supporter it is easy to see this as the “hush money case” as you call it and just state it’s not that big of a deal even when he’s convicted. And the media is very much to blame for that.
I certainly appreciate a good devil’s advocate argument. On the other hand, you’re advocating for the devil.
Yeah I seem to do that a bit too well I guess. Apart from the last part about rehabilitation of criminals - which I do strongly believe in but which is unrelated to Trump, so it was probably misplaced in the comment - I just tried to answer the question “why do republicans still want to vote for Trump after this” to my best guess, trying to follow their absolutely flawed “logic”. Let me be very clear: I do 100% think his conviction in this case is very important and severe and it is not “just an affair” or hush money. This is huge. At least to me.
I think somehow I made the impression that I actually think it’s unimportant or not a big deal.
(Also I came to realize that scientific achievements and politics are probably not a good comparison. But then again, probably would fit the logic of an actual Trump supporter.)
It’s all good - I saw what you were trying to do, I was just being a little snarky. I think understanding what his supporters think is quite important if we are actually trying to intervene and stave off violence.
You totally lost me with your arguement at “so he had to falsify some books”.
Generally I agree that not all crimes are equal and that what you have written good be a good interpretation of how Trump supporters may trivialize the matter.
You held on longer than me. I was done when he asked wether we should reject the theory of relativity because einstein was asshole.
The way one views other people is irrelevant for physics. Its a cornerstone of politics.
Implying Trump has ever done anything even close to as beneficial as Einstein’s contributions to physics. Or that a dead man’s reputation is comparable with a corrupt fascist possibly winning power.
Yeah, but stealing classified documents to sell to the highest bidder is pretty fucking serious, and the clown judge that he hired did everything in her power to get that trial pushed til after the election when he could hopefully throw it out as commander in chief. The fact that they pulled that shit makes me want NY to throw the book at him.
Einstein made astonishing and real contributions to science. You cannot invalidate his contributions because they’re, well…scientific. Yeah, he did some shitty things, but those things were limited to the scope of his immediate family. Not apologizing for him, just offering this for comparison.
We have to make these adjustments any time we discuss the work of some artist, scientist, or leader we place on a pedestal.
The real test is how much damage they do to others. Infidelity? Well, it sucks, but it’s not uncommon (not dismissing it, just observing the fact). Did a scientist create a wheat variety that withstands pests and drought, feeding millions, yet also create a profitable chemical that has caused widespread cancer or environmental destruction? Maybe a popular, famous and groundbreaking artist was a real piece of shit and beat his wife and kids, say maybe putting one of the kids in a wheelchair? Maybe a world leader that’s done a great number of amazing things but still dropped bombs on civilians?
Now what? Is this the price of greatness? How much do you accept or turn a blind eye to? How much real harm did they do?
As far as felonies go, there’s obviously different levels, and that’s up to the law, and FBFW the judge…as we’ve seen affluenza and being a rich POS lets you skip out on a lot of punishment thanks to judge’s biases. Our “feels” shouldn’t be what counts.
You say you “hate trump with a passion”, but:
and he knew that this getting public would make him look bad despite being a genuine guy with good intentions for his country.
Say what?
As far as “moral compasses” go, I think it’s been pretty well established that the pro-trump morality is willfully ignorant and shored up with personal prejudices and hatreds. You have to deliberately choose not to believe in many things to support trump, and that means ignoring laws, the rights for and respect of your fellow humans, science, and many other things. Believing in a Flat Earth has the same validity as supporting trump.
I hope it was clear that the paragraph in italics was what I meant a Trump supporter would say, definitely not me. I most certainly don’t regard him as a “genuine guy with good intentions for his country”.
You have to deliberately choose not to believe in many things to support trump, and that means ignoring laws, the rights for and respect of your fellow humans, science, and many other things.
I 100% agree with you here.
Ok, gotcha. Thanks. Rereading it now makes sense.
Yeah I think I didn’t point out the italics stuff because it seemed obvious in my head that this would be like a fake quote. I should have pointed it out. Now a huge bunch of people assume I somehow defend Trump, think his conviction doesn’t matter, or think the thought process of a supporter makes sense/is correct. Of course it doesn’t/isn’t.
I also should not have put three different theses in one comment (the discrepancy between an individual as a moral person and his achievements, Trump supporters thinking - with the help of media - that it’s not that big of a deal, and rehabilitation of felons/criminals). It got confusing. Not the best comment I’ve written in my life.
Anyway, my bad.
The guy had an affair long time ago
My man has been having affairs almost continuously since his first marriage.
Some say he has the best affairs I heard some people, many people, the best, people, say it.
Ok firstly, you missed out the part about getting spanked with a magazine which I particularly enjoy.
Secondly, he has shown absolutely no contrition and is extraordinarily likely to commit the same crime in a larger fashion if given the opportunity.
Whoa that’s insane.
Nobody would ever vote for a criminal. Now imagine the president supported a straight up Genocide! Adolf Hitler style! Everyone would jump ship to a third party!
Anyone who thinks voting third party is a solution is just a useful idiot for people much worse than Biden.
Who told you that? People who support those two parties? The corporations that fund those two parties? Maybe you’ve been played.
I’m reading this and can’t discern if you’re serious. On the one hand, the argument is insane and doesn’t address the actual calculus behind strategic voting. On the other hand, it reads exactly like what someone would say if they hadn’t thought about it other than deciding that voting is a moral evil a-priori and blurted out the first justification.
I feel the same way about what you wrote.
Where is the substance? Nothing you wrote actually addressed the issue, and your speculation was inaccurate as well. Meh.
You’re too stupid to understand how criticism works.
It’s more an Andrew Jackson-style genocide
The OG Hitlers.
Fun fact for those that don’t know; Hitler was heavily inspired by how America Genocided all the Natives and filled the land with white people.
Right, but the point of the displacement-style genocide is partly deniability.
You’re still eradicating a culture and people, but the camp guards don’t kill themselves or spend the rest of their lives drinking themselves to death.
You’ll even find chuds defending it a hundred years later because “it was mostly disease that killed them” and such.
Whoa whoa whoa you ignorant fuck. America wasn’t even a country when most indigenous tribes were wiped from the Americas. We have the Spaniards and French to thank for that. But even still, 90% of the native population was slautered during colonization of the America’s. The Trail of Tears was really America just taking credit for it all.
You make a good point. Trump is both a criminal and also has said out loud that he supports genocide. Thanks for bringing that up. Sometimes I forget which president has openly stated their support for genocide. So being reminded that it was Trump and only Trump is helpful.
Like, let’s say you stole a lot of money from a lot of people vs you went to a place and stole the same amount of money from less people. You get shot for one and you get to run for the other.
3 years of prison for each count? Never gonna happen. That guy is Teflon.
He’s poisoning our water supply?
He’s very sensitive to scrapes from metal objects and burned carbohydrates?
He’s owned by a corporation and licensed out to several others?
Probably yes to all of the above, come to think of it.
None do
I’ve been thinking about your weird claims about IDF bots on social media promoting Biden, and frankly it doesn’t make any sense. So let’s just grant this idea that there’s this large Israeli presence doing what Russia is doing in addition to the widely verified lobbying operations. Why would they encourage people to vote for Biden? Israel’s goals are better facilitated by a Trump presidency than a Biden presidency, so why dedicate resources to getting Biden elected that don’t make him compliant?
Frankly, it’d make more sense for them to encourage people to vote third party so Biden loses. Incidentally, that’s exactly what you’re doing. Even if you’re not doing it on purpose, you’re using the bodies of dead Palestinians to justify a position that hurts them; for all your moral posturing, your actions are supporting genocide more directly than someone who votes for Biden in silence.
Who is the biggest AIPAC lobby recipient again?
Also you don’t have to theorize this. Multiple heavy IDF shills (the non subtle kind) actively defend Biden.
biggest AIPAC lobby recipient
Doesn’t matter.
As I alluded to in my previous comment, lobbying ensures compliance by creating a sense of dependancy or potentially gratitude; lots of lobbyist donate to people who they don’t prefer in an attempt to influence them. It doesn’t make sense to support the same kind of clientele with online bot accounts, so you need to show that Israel is likely to prefer Biden over Trump for it to make sense that a hypothetical bot team would even support Biden.
IDF shills
Not relevant.
Just for a second, let’s assume you’re both honest and correct. It makes sense for people who happen to both be Zionists and prefer Biden to argue in favor of Biden while entirely disregarding the genocide. Merely noticing these people does not show that the Israeli interests prefer Biden, even if we already assume the IDF bots not only exist but are present in large numbers.
Notice how I’m granting a lot that I don’t need to while still showing you don’t have a good argument for your previous claim.
What you don’t factor in is that these people are not trying to turn Democrats into trump supporters.
Israel owns both sides of the two party system a threat for them would be a third party. Your logic is entirely dependent on pretending that Trump would be so much better for israel while in fact it cannot get much better than Biden for israel.
so you need to show that Israel is likely to prefer Biden over Trump for it to make sense that a hypothetical bot team would even support Biden.
You didn’t even read what I wrote, did you?
That Biden Zionists are just an “organic movement”?
What do you think political campaign donations signify?
