• Melonius [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    It’s really strange, I thought the alt right playbook vids were being overdramatic with the Nazi bar syndrome. I can’t tell if the concern trollers are unintentionally libbing out or just fascists doing their job to prevent any sort of left unity. Same thing maybe.

    I don’t want to insult anyone by calling them a bot or a bad actor, but I feel more safe posting here than over in their supposedly “less troll” instance.

    I think that response is weird. Feels like a nice pat on the back, “you see someone who’s a friend and is saying stuff that is good, but they’re bad, and you should cut them off. Also that’s a good sign that you have so many friends?” And an NPR podcast? Like it feels so on the nose I’m doubting reality

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      it’s supposedly a sign that your minitory group has truly taken hold in society

      Huge “I think the trans people have all the rights they need and are more than equal” vibes. 3 comments ever. Is funding the ko fi donations though, so maybe just a very poorly worded thing to say? I don’t think a right wing op would be donating to a pro trans blahaj lemmy instance as cover.

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        Yeah it might be more simple than that. The horrible thing about propaganda is you don’t need to have ill intent or even understand it, you just need to repeat it and the damage is done.

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          idk about that, i’ve met a lot of trans people living stealth and not one of them was really happy with that, it’s something you do out of self preservation instinct or because you think you missed the chance to come out and now it would be weird or w/e and all of them worry about being clocked way too much and have that nagging feeling that they always have to act. What makes me happiest about having come out is particularly that i do not have to do that anymore, that i can be authentic and true to myself and i couldn’t do that if i would have to fake being a cis girl every time i clock in at work.

          Yeah, i get it, good passing is practical and the less you suffer from your reflection the better, i can relate to that even though i’m nowhere near “finished” - but here’s the thing, i don’t see anybody besides baby trans worry as much about this stuff as people who pass perfectly and are conventionally attractive as hell. And it’s not just - or at least not only - fishing for compliments, being a highly assimilated trans person correlates really fucking strongly with a lack of self acceptance in my experience. And i also see a very strong correlation between being a happy trans person and not giving a flying fuck about cisnormativity.

          The kind of lifestyle you’re describing is a trap. And i don’t mean “being done with medically transitioning and financially secure”, i know a ton of trans people who fall into that category and aren’t of the opinion that the cistem works for them, because it never works for us, even if we pass perfectly and have the right papers we still have to live in a society full of transphobes. And when they don’t know we’re around, they do not hold that back, either. I know way too many stories about experiences like that from trans people with good passing, especially when it comes to dating (that is not helped by putting “btw i’m trans” in your dating profile, all awful men seem to universally share the trait of never reading these). And if that’s not enough, you just have to look at any queer news source out there if you want to feel trampled upon. It’s inescapable how we as a group are treated even if oneself is very safe from that.

          The people who are like you describe have not arrived at their position for material reasons, as there is no actual material safety for trans people in our society. This isn’t like being gay where being rich and white enough means you don’t have to worry. This is “being rich means that i can make realistic plans to leave my home country and everyone i love if they come for us” material safety we’re talking about here. Yes, that’s a form of privilege, but in itself all these privileges, passing privilege, paperwork privilege, medical privilege, being able to bug out privilege are not enough to become the kind of person you’re describing. One of your examples had to flee across half the world from a targeted harassment campaign. You see awful takes from trans people who still boymode after years of HRT and think they can never come out without getting FFS first, you see good takes from trans people who can live off their patreon money and are working on their mainstream media career, and the latter doesn’t surprise me at all because even these people constantly get reminded where they’re coming from.

          The reason some trans people become awful pick mes is not exclusively, but largely false consciousness.

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              All of this is absolutely correct, trans people are at a massively increased risk of unemployment and homelesness, even in systems with comparably good healthcare being wealthy makes the difference between being gatekept and transitioning freely (and in most countries, for many people wealth is basically required for perfect passing because most places do not cover stuff like FFS even if they have public healthcare for HRT and bottom surgery) and all of these are factors that radicalize people and play a huge part of why so many trans people are anarchists or communists. They’re not the only factors, seeing that liberal democracy doesn’t give a shit about me would’ve definitely radicalized me as well if i wouldn’t have already been ML when coming out, but the combination of being trans and poor is pure revolutionary sentiment fuel, i can attest to that. I burn hot on most days.

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          100% this. We’re operating in fundamentally different and irreconciliable realities. We cannot both be right.i doubt most of them understand why we keep talking about history and theory and precedent, or trying to pull out citations and documents. That’s not how their world works.

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      God we’re not even trolls. We’re not trying to provoke people so we can laugh at them. That’s not what dunking is. Dunking is absolutely sincerely telling people what shitheads they are. The idea that most of us are 100% sincere and we absolutely do believe the libs believe what they say and we absolutely do care about their beliefs, take their beliefs seriously, and accord their beliefs exactly as much respect as they deserve is beyond them.

      And ugh, fucking npr. I stopped listening years ago bc it was always “marketplace money”. Fuck npr, and the bill and melinda gates foundation.

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    mods, if we’re going to make concessions to the other instances around our posting, they need to ban this kind of transphobic bullshit. that this user wasn’t banned is deeply offensive and rage inducing. how can they call themselves a queer instance and allow this kind of shit to stand? removing the comment is fine and all but it allows the user to continue posting this drivel at us whenever we post.

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    lmao I really love how these rancid motherfuckers just make shit up

    Like do they realize we can see their posts? Why lie, just own your anti-communism

    Honestly I’d rather be called a slur than deal with this sanctimonious horseshit

    it doesn’t come down to Trans solidarity, but what this community believes on a moral level

    yuck, love having white nationalist pedophiles talking about “morality”

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    No it doesn’t. Lmao.

    You’re just showing how completely unfamiliar with anything to your left you are.

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        “It gives off a massive Conservative pretending to be trans vibe / as a black man.”

        Saying this gives off a massive “I have never seen criticism of liberals from anyone other than conservatives” vibe. This is clearly their first ever encounter with real leftists. They default to “these people are conservatives” whenever they see anyone say anything negative about liberals and this only occurs when you’ve literally never actually spoken to a single real socialist before.

        You’re fair asking, I wasn’t very clear.

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      also nice buttigieg word salad at the end

      “If you believe in what is right, then it is right to believe in your beliefs. Our struggle is fundamentally about solidarity, trans rights, freedom, and above all, peace. Therefore, we should nuke Beijing, Pyongyang, Caracas, and Havana, nuke them to ashes.” - average anti-AES liberal

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    was literally coming here to post this, beat me to the punch

    square peg through a circle hole ass logic

    they’re like me but they don’t buy into the same lib shit I do, therefore they must be faking it enmasse! world view secure sicko-wholesome

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    how people should act, and how we believe people should be treated at a fundamental level

    Hexbears are violating my human dignity by calling me a liberal frothingfash

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      sorry you need some psychopathic conspiracy theory to justify your existence. but people just hate you

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      I’m not saying it is that to be clear, it just reads like a goddamn fed

      “If you’re not a cop, you’re doing a cop’s job” applies. Wrecking (and similar conduct) is bad no matter who it’s from.

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          Correct. My view is it’s not productive or necessary to get into who is or isn’t a cop, because at the end of the day it’s unknowable. Wrecking/other disruptive conduct is the problem, so I tend to focus on that.

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              Everything that I’ve seen from that instance is duplicitous two-faced behavior. I think some people here are still caught up with federation hype. Carving a space for trans people on Lemmy doesn’t need to look like a federation of trans instances. It could also look like one giant instance where transphobes, terfs, enbyphobes, chasers, and other reactionaries get sent to the blender and any instance that dares to traffic transphobia receives a warm visit from the All Active Army.

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      Hey, they could be a fed and still actually trans. The CIA is very progressive about who it hires as Gestapo agents.

      But really I think they are a youngish trans liberal in denial.

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      I can absolutely believe this isn’t a fed or an op, just a smug asshole with terminal cerebral mccarthyism. It’s such a mindless, foolish thing to say.

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      Some of them are. It’s difficult to tell if they’re using bad arguments in good faith or bad faith, but it is so obviously transparent they have a fedposting problem when you engage with the user and they resort to insults or act like they’re being attacked

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      I’m not going to engage in the same erasure as this piece of shit but imagine if we all started highlighting how much of a concern troll/wrecker/“fed pretending to be trans” type of comment this is. I’m not saying it is that to be clear, it just reads like a goddamn fed and you don’t see us pissing ourselves and accusing others of not being trans.

      Yea, its pretty bad but that’s generally been the whole vibe from lemm.ee or blajah. Say the most offensive and improbable shit possible and just pretend like they asked about the weather.