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here’s the thing though: they’ll abolish the ACA, and when people start complaining, they’ll just blame everything on mexicans.
and trump voters will 10000000% believe it
blame everything on mexicans
I’m sorry, it’s all my fault and I take full responsibility. I’ll make tamales with atole for the victims of my reckless Mexican behavior. 😔
Holy shit I love all types of Mexican food and I’ve never heard of atole. Looking it up.
Edit: Fuck your fake coffee!
Hah! It only looks like coffee but is closer to a thick smoothie made with corn dough, vanilla, and cinnamon. It makes me feel very cozy during the winter, it’s delicious.
That sounds amazing 😋
Atole!?! In that case I’m definitely a victim and await my tamales.
“Illegals smuggle our patriotic, expensive insulin out of the US, and we gotta build a wall facing the other direction to keep them in this time! We’ll use tariffs to get Mexico to pay for it!”
This is what you voted for 💅
by jan we will be so consumed by the flavour of the month culture war (trans muslim librarians are coming for your pizza gate!) that they wont even notice its happening.
by the time they need it they’ll forget who even took it away.
by the time they vote they’ll just think trump saved them from leftist death panels or some shit.
edit: oh shit, the q-anon nuts are going to sprout again arn’t they… le sigh
trans muslim librarians are coming for your pizza
So what type of pizza do they like? Gotta get ready for January!
Definitely not vegan pizza.
I’m sure its that woke New York pie they’ll be coming for. True Americans support Chicago deep dish with all that extra saturated fat and sodium
oh shit, the q-anon nuts are going to sprout again arn’t they… le sigh
I’m over giving a fuck about them at this point. It’s tired, old hat, doesn’t really even bother me anymore. I know they’re saying shit to enrage people but when you see enough of it, it eventually just stops registering. I’m sure they’ll still find takers for their stupid games but i also suspect others are also moving on from giving a fuck too. How long can you really play games like that before you finally see them for what they are? Bunch of miserable twats trying to drag everyone else down to their level. I take comfort knowing i live a happier life than them, that all they have is hate. It’s actually kind of sad, really
Oh god dammit.
It just occurred to me that unless there’s some state thing Im unaware of, when I divorce, once the damn ACA gets pulled she won’t have insurance and I’m on the hook for medical shit for 5~ years.
God fucking dammit. Just another reason these goddamn Nazi bastards needed to be taken care of before the election.
Hah! Look at you, thinking you’ll be able to divorce in a few years from now. Haven’t seen project 2025?
I’m going to just assume that this is a man so he’ll be able to divorce just fine. Getting rid of no fault divorce is just for women so they are kept in the marriage where they’re abused.
Correct I’m a dude. And even then I could prove fault if I needed to.
It does make me wonder how shared custody would work though.
Isn’t abuse one of those things that normally counts as “fault”?
I’m attempting to get the divorce done before that occurs.
And I can prove fault if necessary I just really don’t want to dig that shit up again. The memory of discovering the affair was bad enough.
And like the guy below said I’m a dude
Yeah, I assumed you’re a dude. But it doesn’t matter. About a year from now, it’s fair to assume that divorce is at least on the table/ chopping block, if not already outright banned by the new theocracy
Well I kept saying that and the responses were- without fail- “you first, tough guy!”, “go back to twitter, ammosexual!”, “if we dont respect free speech for Nazis then they wont respect ours when they gain power!”, and “you’re the REAL Nazi!!”
So I hope trumptards get every single fucking thing they voted for.
The leopards are going to become very fat this next few years
Faces! Delicious faces!
Well last time they tried to get rid of it, but John McCain sank that effort as if failed 49-51. Just before he died of cancer.
Now all the John McCains have been purged from the GOP and they will have a bigger senate majority, and likely a significant house majority too. So if there is an effort to repeal the ACA, it’ll very likely pass.
Non stop fillibusters for 4 years?
Is that our only hope?
You mean filibuster. The Democrats didn’t eliminate it under Biden out of fear for what Republicans would do when they took power again. Guess what?
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Doing, ding. Winner right here!
And I was pissed off about that but now have to reluctantly give them credit for that. Turned out to be the right call.
But if they actually use it, the way McConnel did when he was in the minority, then the Republicans will finally get rid of it. They don’t need it, as they will never again be the minority party.
There is no way we don’t get a massive recession or worse in Trump’s presidency. MAGA won’t care, but a lot of the idiot moderates always blame the incumbent party and will vote in a Democrat.
Pretty much, honestly I think Kamela would have won if they just put up a reel-to-reel film reminding people Covid-19 is Trump’s fault
They did, nobody who needed to hear it listened. They were all busy voting on a single issue.
They should get out of the way. It appears the majority want this.
It would seem that many need a reminder of how bad it can be.
Do the majority of people want ACA appealed or do the majority of people not understand what’s coming for them?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ guess we’ll see hu?
Either way, they’ll get what they voted for.
Given all the people who wanted to “Repeal Obamacare and replace it with the ACA!”
The latter
Dems could expand the court as well before January
And republicans would expand it again 🤷♀️
All it takes to eliminate the filibuster is a bare majority. Democrats did it selectively to carve out exceptions for the few promises they actually wanted to fulfill.
That has gotta be hugely unpopular right?
People would absolutely flip out if we go back to “preexisting conditions”.It will be hugely unpopular. It’s not clear whether that will translate to Trump or Republicans becoming unpopular though.
What’s ACA?
The Affordable Care Act, the US public marketplace for private insurance. Ignorantly referred to by conservatives as socialism.
Years back, before Republicans realized it’s good (as they eventually do with all social programs), I had an aunt say “I’m on that Obama care and it’s awful!” So we asked which plan she’s on and she just kept saying “I already told you, it’s Obamacare.”
I think the average Republican voter does not understand that it is private insurance
the average Republican voter does not understand
You can just stop there, and be correct about almost any topic.
I had to explain tax brackets to my mother.
She’s got a degree to teach math. And I know she actually went to college since I can remember sitting in the back of her classrooms when she couldn’t find a babysitter.
She used to do her own taxes and my grandparents taxes.
But, as a teenager, I had to explain why a potential $2 raise doesn’t mean she’s losing more money in taxes than the raise is giving her.
She also doesn’t believe the welfare cliff exists, despite our family being precariously perched atop it when I was in elementary school.
At this point I think she’s just heard the same stupid shit repeated over and over, she doesn’t even question it anymore.
I had to explain to my mom the other day about server wages and she didn’t even believe me at first.
Not to defend server wages in any capacity, but the utter fact that she didn’t know the wage nor the federal minimum wage absolutely astounded me. And when she tried to tell me to vote for Trump because of no tax on tips, I told her, “then just tip in cash,” she was stuttering and moved on from the topic.
Not even close to socialism or affordable. Currently paying $2400 a month on an ACA plan because my employer’s benefits don’t cover the services my disabled child requires.
Jfc, that’s my mortgage at least 4 times over. Any money spent on your kid is well spent, but it’s horrible that you must sacrifice that much.
Where do you live that you have a $600 mortgage?!???
1995
Hey, you stole my joke from last month
Mine is just over $1000 in an urban area for a town home. We got lucky though and got in right before things went stupid in 2020, so that’s part of it. Also made the move and investment of a heavy down payment because we saw rent was going to become unlivable, and sure enough it happened.
Not in the US. Suburban Wales, UK.
It affords a 3-bedroom terraced home. It used to be cheaper before our previous UK government fucked interest rates.
Holy shit that’s amazing. 3 bedrooms WITH a terrace?
AND you get free healthcare?
God you guys live like kings
Terraced in this instance means there are two other homes, one either side, that we share walls with.
Having good neighbours is essential.
I’d do it all over in a heartbeat but it would be nice if it wasn’t so damn expensive. Compared to the literal millions of dollars all my kid’s surgeries, hospital stays, home nursing, medical supplies, prescriptions, and equipment costs it’s a small price to pay. So I guess I should consider myself lucky.
“Shit could be worse” never ceases to be true.
Best wishes from me, sounds like you have a handful.
That’s a fraction of my mortgage …
Do you have a 2000 year mortgage? Or do you live in hell?
Wales, so close enough.
25 years, 6 years in.
Referring to the place you live as hell while having free healthcare and a $600 mortgage on a 3 bedroom house has demoralized every American who read your comment.
Tongue in cheek, of course.
The free healthcare has nosedived over the last 2 decades. It’s still free, but wait times for everything are insane unless you are actively dying. People can wait years for routine procedures & treatments. A regular GP appointment is weeks, unless you snag an ‘emergency’ appointment by phoning in at 8am sharp and beating everyone else doing the same.
If you need an ambulance and aren’t having a cardiac episode or similar - good luck and hope someone can drive your ass to hospital. Wait times are hours at minimum. A long time to be writhing around in (non life threatening!) pain.
Yes it is free. Unfortunately it is underfunded and overworked.
I mean, he does live in Wales…
calling it socialism is correct, they just fail to realize that’s what good governments do
A public marketplace for private insurance is not socialism. It is strictly neoliberal.
Not really? Its a marketplace and some regulations on how insurance companies can conduct business. It doesnt really have anything to do with having the common people have economic control
Socialism isn’t “government does thing”. It’s when large groups of people get together and tell the institutions “you’re going to do what’s best for us, and not what’s best for the .001% at the top”. This goes for interacting with the government, too.
There are effects of this that can be felt, like “socialized medicine” or other public services… but they are not what socialism is, just what socialism does.
Socialism is when the government forces you to buy a product from a private company.
Affordable care act, also referred to as Obamacare. The name Obamacare was coined by republicans the actual name of the legislation was the affordable care act
The ACA was basically a federal version of Romneycare. It was cowritten by Republicans who as a party instantly forgot that they helped write it and demonized it.
With modifications making it not as good, to be clear.
“Romneycare” was already taken, and as an uninformed Canadian, isn’t it basically similar?
It’s the same thing but (and I may be mistaken on this) I think Romneycare is actually a little better? They weren’t able to implement a single payer option on the ACA because Joe Lieberman sabotaged it, but I assume he wasn’t able to sabotage it on the original draft Romney put through in his version
Yes. So similar in fact that Romneycare basically never changed in its original state of Massachusetts. All the systems set up for Romneycare were copied at the national level.
What was said here is correct, but I wanted to add that almost all the things everyone hates about ACA was also mostly brought on by Republicans that wouldn’t vote for it unless sections of it were modified. Democrats took what they could get and figured it could be revisited later to fix that at some point. Instead, the opposite happened, and it was handicapped even more by Republicans and here we are, where most people just believe democrats forced this awful plan upon us that is making everyone pay huge amounts of money.
Yeah, Obama was so fucking desperate to get bipartisan support that he and the congressional Democrats let the GOP sabotage it instead of fighting for the single-payer system that had been promised. And now here we are. I honestly believe that if he had both jailed the bakers in the aftermath of the housing crash and gone full single payer not only would we be in a much better place as a nation, but Trump would never have been elected.
Not one Republican ended up voting for it anyways. Most of the compromises were for blue dog Democrats.
Obamacare. Also known as Romneycare.
Folks who voted for concepts of a healthcare plan have nothing to fear, I’m sure.
These people have concepts of a plan for a Trump presidency
Not sure what kinda project they have planned for 2025 🤔
If I have any Trump supporting acquaintances ever show a sliver of remorse to me, I’m going to bury them in ridicule. I know it’s not effective and is counter productive, but I can say this knowing 1. It’s never going to happen and 2. Idgaf and I’m taking my shots when I get them, because fuck these people all to Hell. I’ve already cut out a brother, I will happily burn these connections.
Nah, don’t mock the remorseful it’ll dig them in. Mock the unrepentant
It’s frustrating, but you’re right.
I know. I work surrounded by trumpers while being a semi passing trans woman. I hate them. I want to rage at them. And also I need to stomach my emotions because I’m the minority here. I’ve known my fair share of hillbillies, and I’m the only trans person they’ll ever know. So yeah I’ll have to act the model and they get to vice signal in front of me all day long and it isn’t fair and I hope that when we die we have to stand before a god and defend our actions.
But yeah I have to be willing to accept remorse and forgive those who repent and change. But I don’t know how I can ever trust them after what they’ve decided to put me and my people through. People like me will die because their feelings got hurt. And that’s not even something new.
Oh honey, I’m so sorry.
Yeah, what kind of dumbass strategy is this? Is OP trying to keep losing elections?
Tell them Trump didn’t win, Putin did.
Since Trump is just a Russian asset that is selling US state secrets to Putin.
I have been, and they don’t care. Nothing has changed over the past 8 years, he’s just been a bit louder more recently. There’s been pretty solid evidence to anyone that has the most basic sense of reasoning, that he has been a Russian puppet since the beginning. They don’t care. It’s not something that we can use as an attack, because it’s either “fake” it they don’t care.
Funny story, Trump actually can’t get a security clearance, so he’ll be doing the Presidency blind for the most part.
I don’t believe the president needs one. He gets it by being elected.
Someone needs to keep a record. Every action the Trump admin takes and chapter, page and paragraph of where that appears in Project 2025. Just to demonstrate the degree to which he’s doing exactly what was planned in that plan he tried to distance himself from and doesn’t support but also considered the “plan for our movement”.
Really emphasize the degree to which the leopards outright told everyone they were going to be eating faces. Up front, across hundred of pages in detail.
The idea of voting for a candidate with whom you disagree on things upon which you depend for your livelihood or survival is just wild to me.
They don’t think about any of the social programs that they depend on. It’s about hurting the right people. A platform built on hate. Then they wonder why the leopards ate their face.
People vote based on what they think the person is like. Harris is boring and the same old. Trump tells it like it is, that’s exciting!
Nevermind that boring is what you want for government, you want everything to just work. But no, gotta be emotional about it.
“I didn’t think it would hurt me.” - Trump voters for the next four years.
As a school bus driver, I work with a bunch of older people who are already utterly dependent on social security and medicare to have any semblance of a life that doesn’t involve living in a tent in the park and dumpster diving for dinner. They are mostly trumpers. We’re all Teamsters as well, and a few are married lesbians (and these are the most rabidly pro-trump of all). I have made a few attempts to convince them that trump (and Republicans for fucking decades) are out to destroy social security, medicare, unions and gay rights (among lots of other things) - but they reacted to me like I had grown an extra head. Somehow they’ve convinced themselves that the GOP is the original source and the protector of these things.
They are mostly trumpers.
Spend all your time on a bus listening to AM Talk Radio year after year after year and see what happens to your brain.
Somehow they’ve convinced themselves that the GOP is the original source and the protector of these things.
Americans are the most propagandized people on Earth.
and a few are married lesbians (and these are the most rabidly pro-trump of all).
They do know that just because it’s a Republican porn of choice, Republicans don’t actually hate lesbians, right?
“I didn’t think leopards would eat MY face”
-Leopard Eating Faces Party voter-
Just like the first 4 years.
Assuming they live that long.
Yes it will be repealed.
An Alex Jones inspired health plan will replace it.
The Trump government will propose the carnivore diet as healthy. Vaccines will be banned. Only Alex Jones Nutraceuticals will be prescribed by doctors. Cardio will be state mandated as an official LGTBQ activity, along with voguing, cardio voguing. Beards will be mandatory, whether you can grow one or not. The only clothing that will be allowed for men will be jeans, stupid meme shirts, motard gear, and line 9 apparel.
The life expectancy for American males will tank to around 50, women and vaccines will be blamed.
Gays and Jews will also be blamed
I’m sure it’s those Haitians, they seem to be in control of everything these days
They didn’t do anything about it the last time he was in office and just talked about a replacement plan that never materialized. What makes it seem more likely they’ll actually remove it this time?
Serious question. I didn’t really mean to make it sounds as snarky as it looks on a reread.
If John McCain hadn’t basically gotten out of his death bed to vote no on repeal, it would have been gone.
This is the real answer. It can down to McCain’s very dramatic Nay vote because they didn’t have a replacement plan… You can watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TLz2uQEtGo
Fuck Kyrsten Sinema and her fucking curtsy.
I know it was during the $15 minimum wage vote and not the ACA vote, but this thread reminded me of it.
With Trump in the White House, Republican control of the Senate and likely the House, and a stacked Supreme Court, there’s nothing to stop him from tearing down whatever he wants. There doesn’t have to be a replacement plan. Insurance companies will applaud the end of ACA mandates, which will let them sell policies without minimum government requirements for coverage and they can go back to denying coverage for "pre-existing"conditions. It’s going to screw over a lot of people.
That’s not entirely true. Everyone forgets there was an individual mandate penalty that his administration & congress repealed.
Anyone remember how the ACA assessed a tax on those who were not insured? (with income based exceptions). The tax was meant to feed into the ACA and keep plans in the marketplace cheaper, and to stop the program from adding to the federal deficit.
Once the trump administration came in they worked with Congress to eliminate that tax penalty.
Here is a helpful article that talks about the penalty and what the early findings showed when it was removed.
Yup! This is what is leading to the slow ACA death spiral.
In the current system yeah but that’s largely because the ACA did almost nothing to address the astronomical cost of healthcare, which is the primary reason the ACA needs to exist.
he didnt have the fanatic support then that he has now
He wanted to get re-elected last time.
I think it’s a good question. My take, and I dunno if it’s right, is that they fucked up with Roe vs. Wade, and they know it — they were the dog that caught the car, so to speak. But once you catch the car, what do you do with it? It’s no longer something you can use to activate your base. They pivoted the messaging from “abortion bad” to “states rights,” but I think that’s less of a hot button issue.
So I’m really hoping it’s the same with the ACA — they want to talk about how Dems are socialists and socialism is bad, but they don’t necessarily want to “catch the car” here. I do think that any changes will be explicitly about “Obamacare” and any replacement (even if it’s exactly the same) will be pushed as “Trumpcare.”
I’m probably way off though, and I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if they indeed repeal the ACA. And as much as I feel like a horrible person saying it, I have pretty much zero sympathy for those about to get their face eaten by the leopards — I voted D, and I’m not reliant on the ACA, so basically sorry, but go fuck yourself (not you personally, just the regretful Trump voters — I am deeply sympathetic to others affected by this).
The ACA is not just about the marketplace. It also gives protections for preexisting conditions and sets minimal requirements for what must be covered in a health plan. So if the ACA gets repealed, everyone is affected.
Fuck you I read the whole thing and then I got to the part where you don’t give a fuck about people who don’t have your privilege.
Read on, they expressed sympathy at the end.
It’s just fear mongering at this point
