Stop trying to make Middle English happen.
You complete me.
Drag likes the middle English. Drag thinks you just hate fun.
Referring to yourself in the third person is cringe as fuck
Agreed, but I also kind of like it? It’s a fun cringe, if that’s a thing.
while i appreciate your random internet stranger opinion, I fail to see how dragonfucker hurts or inconveniences any of us 🤷♀️
like yeah i get you dont like it but isnt your comment just a teeny bit more cringe as fuck?
No.
They’ve been inconveniencing me by following me around and harassing be because they didn’t understand my simple point that ‘they’ applies to all humans.
They harassed me over calling Caillou ‘he.’ As in the cartoon toddler. Seriously.
They also object to people using the word ‘you’ to address them, which is fucking stupid.
If someone is so socially inept and surrounded by equally socially inept people who don’t call out this behavior, then it’s possible they don’t have anyone who is part of society at large that would inform them of how their actions will be perceived by most members of the public.
I’m not commenting because it hurts me in any way. I’m commenting because this person is going to have a relatively difficult life socially if they continue with the behavior they currently exhibit.
The gut-reaction to call someone cringe is a natural expression of the human desire to conform to social norms. They are insecure about their own differences so they enforce conformity in others by trying to humiliate them, the way they have been. In a strange way they could see it as helping them to avoid further humiliation. They’re saying “cut it out” with an implied “or else people will not accept you.” It’s pure instinct.
Drag isn’t referring to dragself in third person.
What do you call it then? Because that’s what’s happening here
Unless “drag” refers to someone/thing else entirely, which context heavily implies otherwise
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It’s a person independent neopronoun
Cute, but no it’s not
Its a nickname, your username shortened. That’s a proper noun whether you pretend to use it otherwise elsewhere or not, as context is important in communication
I do like the trolling effort though so keep on keeping on
Bruh why removed by mod?
I think the assumption that people who engage in unconventional means of expression are attention-seeking speaks to a common insecurity people have about receiving negative attention themselves. They’re reflecting the social pressure to conform that they already surrendered to.
You can strap a watermelon to your neck and call it whatever you want, but don’t expect others to mistake that for a personality.
A thorn in your side?
A thorn in my ash.
Surely we’ll sing
of no little thing
In Oak and ash and thorn
Why? This is their post and they wanna use middle English. It’s not that big a problem for anyone else.
Are you just worried that it’ll become a more common trend? I don’t think that’ll happen. It’s just gonna be like scrolling by a ich iel post every now and again.
NAY I SAY!
Based as hell.
No. Language is dynamic by design. If þey/þem wish to be diacritical fluid, who are we to deny freedom of speech?
You’re right, it is. But language shifts in populations in ways that enhance communication. One person using letters that nobody else uses makes communication of ideas more difficult.
Not only that, but they’re only choosing to use some Middle English letters, and not any other rules of Middle English grammar or spelling.
They can use whatever language they want, but if it’s too much effort for people to understand, they’re more likely to be ignored.
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can we just go back to Homestuck-esque typing quirks?
You’re right, it is. But language shifts in populations in ways that enhance communication. One person using
letterspronouns that nobody else uses makes communication of ideas more difficult.Not only that, but they’re only choosing to use some
Middle English lettersenglish pronouns, and not any otherrules of Middle English grammar or spellingdifferent types of english pronouns.They can use whatever
languagepronouns they want, but if it’s too much effort for people to understand, they’re more likely to be ignored.Doesn’t sound so reasonable now, does it? If language that mildly inconveniences others is an acceptable way to express your gender identity, then why not also to express yourself creatively?
One, pronous are not letters, and letters are not pronouns. I’m not offending anyone’s gender by suggesting that using “þ” instead of “th” when trying to communicate in English on the internet in 2024 is counterproductive.
Two, gendered pronouns are some of the very oldest words in English, and they are used very regularly. They are engrained in native English speakers from birth. Each of us has a very long history of thinking in terms of these gendered pronouns, and I will grant that those who are younger have an easier time of making gender shifts with pronouns than those who are older.
There’s a reason people aren’t using xe/xey, for example. Somebody just made it up and said “use it.” Language doesn’t work by fiat (unless we’re talking about a colonizer eliminating indigenous languages by literal force). In terms of gender neutral pronouns, we already have the singular “they,” which has been in use to some degree since at least Early Modern English.
I can wholly respect and support someone’s gender and refuse to use nonsense words at the same time. Think about where gendered pronouns are used: when one person talks to a second person about a third person. If that third person is genderfluid in some way, I’m going to use “they” when referring to them (see what I did there?), because the second person is most likely to understand what I’m saying.
And before you get all fucking uppity again, I’ve had many lengthy conversations about this and so many other gender issues with my son, who is, among so many other things, trans.
I don’t even necessarily disagree that it’s counterproductive, I just don’t think it’s fair to attack someone for using esoteric or unconventional language. Yes, it inconveniences the listener - or in this case the reader - but in this context no one is being forced to engage with OP. By using some Old English letters OP is just having some innocent fun at no one’s expense, which doesn’t warrant the harsh response they’re receiving.
If you were talking to someone and they casually used xe/xey pronouns (or any neopronouns for that matter) to refer to a friend who isn’t there, would you go out of your way to lecture them about what an inconvenience it is to you to have to learn something new?
Please refer to point one of my previous comment.
You aren’t owed prescriptive compliance just because you’re used to a worse system.
Let alone if you feel like going out of ð way to justify shitting on oðer people’s innocent fun.
Why are all thornies I ever saw complete nutjobs?
Thornies is a pejorative I’ve never seen before, who does that refer to?
There’s unfortunately more people like this very guy
That didn’t really answer my question.
Because you’re on Lemmy and no one here seems to be, you included.
^ What did he mean by this?
He can say what he wants. He can endorse Adolf Hitler and nobody will bat an eye. Meanwhile Kamala has to watch every letter that crosses her lips.
He said himself, in early 2016 I think, that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and he wouldn’t lose any votes.
But why is that actually? It baffles me.
Sexism.
There is more to it than that. It definitely plays a part though.
True, it was the same for Biden. I also don’t think this only applies to Trump and America. I live in Europe and saw it happen in my own city. The right-wing sitting mayor was framing his opponent for being a communist supporting the Taliban, which was an absolute lie. Buddy only advocated for affordable housing and public transport. Though there was something to be said about his lack of plans to achieve that, it’s probably better than just letting the free market do its thing. Anyways the media framed the sitting major as the sensible one, regardless of the lies he told, and he won the elections by a mile.
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Calling dissenters fascists and Zionists violates rule 1. Please keep it civil.
People can disagree with your view, or your delivery of your view. That doesn’t make them s Zionist or fascist. They just means you’re failing to communicate. In communication, the onus lies squarely on the sender.
This is a friendly warning.
I keep forgetting that there was never a female president before. I’m German and 16 years of chancellor Merkel are pretty fresh in my mind still. I was 11 when she got into office, kinda crazy to think about.
Tbf, ð role to role equivalent of ð chancellorship in ð US would be speaker of ð house, and we had Nancy Pelosi for almost just as long before she retired as well.
Only reason we don’t þink ðat way about her is because ð independent executive has inflicted upon us a grievous insistence on still existing.
Because Republicans have chosen Trump as the leader of their in-group, and everything they say and do is just sound bytes for getting him in power and abusing the out group, no matter how inconsistent, hypocritical, or false it is. They don’t actually think what they mock the left for is bad, but if they can use it to justify being against them, they’ll use it.
It’s actually worse than that IMO, they’ve imprinted on him as a surrogate for themselves. To attack, challenge or abandon him now would be to do that to themselves.
He definitely represents their animus. A projection of their perverse fantasy of disrupting the “corrupt government” sold to them by decades of hate radio.
If you ever listened to Rush Limbaugh you already know how these people think. They have been spoon fed lies their entire life.
Harris followers are better people with higher standards than Trump followers.
Fuck both those zionist bootlickers.
That said, I’m voting Harris this time, since the alternative isn’t an option, but, we still have to destroy this 2 party, oligarch ruled system and start from scratch. Enough is enough. Time to eat the rich.
These are good opinions, but can you say them two weeks from now? Drag doesn’t think they’re productive right now. They’ll be great in two weeks.
It’s all propaganda. Biden gave the terrorist state of Isreal $18 Billion in American tax dollars this year alone. That’s $13 Billion more in a year than the average of $5billion per year for the last 75 years.
I don’t know wtf Dildo Tramp’s angle is here, but both parties are Zionist boot lickers who’ve continuously funded genocide. I don’t know why he would try and make his opponents look less evil than he is, and also piss off his skinhead supporters.
Edit: to be clear, you should still vote Harris because it’s the lesser evil option in this fucked up circus. But denying reality makes you just as bad as air-headed trumpets. Both sides are owned by the same corporate interests and mega-rich, and we need to abolish this 2 party system, not make-up fantasies that one side is actually good.
Nobody is debating the fact that Trump is 1000x worse and also has and will continue funding Isreal if elected.
That’s how you know the downvotes aren’t from the progressive side. We don’t downvote facts or minimize genocide.
It’s all propaganda. [5 paragraphs of propaganda]
Welp, you got that right
Some gifts just wrap themselves, don’t they?
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What exactly do you mean by “controlled opposition?” Be very clear on this.
Waiting for you to find any inaccurate information in my original comment and elaborating why you think my fact based comment is propaganda, and not the corporate media story I’m commenting on.
Immediately trying to change the subject and cherry pick other parts to argue about.
I presented facts, that’s all.
I challenge you to find any inaccurate information in my comments.
I said multiple times I’m voting Harris, but that’s not good enough for fascists and zionists, you need to re-write history to fit your narrative.
Biden did? I thought Congress made decisions involving the purse?
Feeling even an ounce more assured in getting away wið saying ð N-Word wiðout facing social consequences is a potent enough high for ðese slimeballs ðat ðey will literally hand him ðeir newborn child to rape on national television so long as he keeps ð supply coming.
Has he not literally been doing that? I’ve been seeing articles about how much he looks up to Hitler. And he quotes him. He’s not being subtle, at least.
In his first campaign it was said that the only book he kept and actually read was the English translation of Hitlers speeches. He has never really shied away from his adoration of the mustache man.
Videos talking about building a unified Reich, talk of immigrants polluting the blood of the nation, a lot of talk from his orbit about cultural Marxism, all the shared enemies (other than Israel, who are now the genocidal fascist ethnostate he aspires to), Nazis consistently turning out to support him… It’s straightforwardly Nazi bullshit. At least Hitler did prison time for the beer hall putsch - Jan 6? Fine, apparently.
Downvoted for the title. Not sure what kind of mouth breather trend that is, but it’s not lasting
I remember a person on Reddit using this.
þ- th sounding /θ/ (think)
ð- th sounding /ð/ (the)As to why… I hope OP tells us.
I’ve seen them explain it elsewhere. As i recall, they liked the reaction it got, and do it for that.
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They’re still missing the “e” from “ðe”. That’s what bothers me.
I think It was common in middle English to omit the ‘e’, leaving it to context for the reader to infer the meaning. I see this in alot of shorthand and other alphabets like Shavian.
leaving it to context for the reader to infer the meaning
So the same way we differentiate between the two sounds “th” can make?
Kinda, yeah. The difference is that it’s not a per-word basis where you have to memorize dozens of cases. Much less cumbersome on learners. There’s nothing wrong with just writing ‘ðe’ either, if the writer prefers.
Because I feel like it
B3c4us3 1 f33l l1k3 1t
Same energy tbh
Yes exactly
175 7h3 54m3 45 l337 wh3r3 17’5 ju57 4nn0y1n6 f0r n0 r3450n
And it hurts just as many people.
None.
Hurts me, at least
Bro thinks they’re a homestuck character
Legit only know homestuck is even a þing þrough Undertale and Megalovania
80% of your comment history is bent on those letters. Is that all you want to be known for?
None of us will be “known” for anything on this website. It will all fade. Let them try to be quirky to rage against oblivion, it hardly impacts your life.
In fact, I’m thankful for the stupid trend because I had no idea how to read some of those names in Fire Emblem: Heroes.
Eh, fair.
But English is hard enough without that kind of dickery.
Are ðose letters really so offensive to you ðat ðey warrant being what you define someone else by?
It’s more that it makes your posts hard to read for no reason other than a painfully transparent and desperate cry to be “unique” and “quirky.” That said, you do you, man.
Lovely, that you paint me as “offended by these letters.”
You don’t know me.
Go back to your fucking ð.
I support.
Æsþetically it looks dense & unique like ð rare, sunderly dental fricative sounds English makes. “ð” isn’t historic since Old English really didn’t boðer ƿiþ separating voiced vs. unvoiced dental, but ðat’s okay since our broðers up norþ in Iceland use ðese 2 characters in ð manner you prescribe. I like ð mirroring a as ð single-character definite vs. indefinite article too. As someone around ESL (English as a second language) speakers, it can help ðem not only knoƿ hƿich sound to make hƿile preventing silly slip-ups like former US president Donald Trump saying Þighland instead of Thailand—but it ƿould be obvious if our ƿritten form ƿasn’t forced to drop þorn for overloading “y” or “th” for ð printing press’ limitations not built for our tongue.
Before computers or printing presses, ƿe didn’t have spellcheck—so folks spelled ƿords as ðey sound. Having less digraphs favoring more single characters is considered more ergonomic; Dvorak, ð keyboard layout, has “ht” on the home roƿ of ð dominant hand to shoƿ just hoƿ dominant ðis digraph truly is for typing English.
Look, english spelling is already a mess for me to parse (non-native speaker). If y’all start using this other alphabet, I’m just not gonna bother reading.
“Oh no! Anyway” kind of comment, but I must protest somehow.
Yeah, I think this is a pretty shitty way to behave on a website with a large number of non-native English speakers.
I think the real shitty part is the English itself, not letter changes.
We could do the nice thing and make an easier language the standard? Spanish maybe? Could also do German. /s
I vote for a Klingon/Dothraki hybrid for the global language.
Do you think it’s shitty for black people in America to use African American English dialect on public forums where non-native speakers could see it? Same deal, just different levels of familiarity. Nothing is forcing anyone to engage with this post, but a lot of people seem to feel a strong enough desire to enforce social conformity that they go out of their way to complain about someone doing something different.
No. Not same deal. One is dialect with slang, which is readable, and which you can just easily look up if you don’t know.
The other is using letters that even most native English speakers can’t parse.
Also, comparing this person’s nonsense to an ethnic group’s way of speaking is highly offensive. I hope you realize that.
Ban ñ from Spanish! My language does not have this character!
Non-native speakers tend to mess up dental fricatives in speech as is. This usage is a good reminder as a character for a sound your language doesn’t have… a lot of languages “th” is pronounced as English “t” which implies aspiration like in Thomas. It is just like learning any other non-Romantic language & is literally in Icelandic—not some made-up character.
ᚻᛠᛏᚢᚱᛋ᛫ᚷᛟᚾᚾᚫ᛫ᚻᛠᛏ
Translation: häturs᛫gonna᛫hät
I know what this says because of ultima underworld
Ðey do be like ðat sometimes
This was a little easier than reading finnegans Wake but not much. Definitely more humorous though. Thank you.
