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    To those suggesting the solution is to go farther left, you’re delusional

    The best thing you can hope for, is the farthest left, electable candidate

    Based on the state of play, the winning ticket in 2028 I would project to be Manchin/Witmer

    AOC is never going to be prez (unfortunately) in her lifetime. The country is not ready for that

    In case you are doubting reality, note that a far-right populist just won the popular vote in a landslide, bury your head in the sand all you like, its not going to move your agenda forward

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    I literally see voters saying the Democrats were too left leaning, jfc.

    With parties like this, painful collapse is the only way to avoid multigenerational destitution.

    There is no saving the United States as a framework. It is far too compromised, with too many methods installed to keep the people willfully ignorant and infighting as the owners suck their life forces dry for profit.

    We can limp along and pretend that isn’t the case, but climate change, aka the reality that doesn’t give a shit about our self-delusion and greed worship, will force that collapse sooner rather than later. Reality can’t be bribed, deluded, disappeared, or discredited.

    Enjoy living in delusion that a society can function in capitalist competition against itself, the ability to do so is coming to an end.

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    “To all those growing skeptical of this party’s strategies and overall agenda, let me just say we hear you loud and clear. Rest assured we will be doing everything short of interpreting that sound into words and responding to those words in any way shape or form.”

    This is an all-timer.

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    Pffft!!! If your idea of “learning” is to copy any of the fascist ideas of trump, then yes, they should NOT learn anything. Did Jews after Hitler go fascist… Oh wait.

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    TBH I’d be afraid of them learning anything with headlines telling them to blame Palestine supporters and Minorities.

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    The only “The Onion” rather than “Not The Onion” part of this is the idea that they would announce it.

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    Local opinion piece:

    https://www.startribune.com/brehm-democrats-have-themselves-to-blame-for-trumps-election/601176736

    I read it because of the title, but it’s just some shithead that wants them to move further right:

    This red wave wasn’t as much about embracing Donald Trump as it was repudiating far-left progressivism.

    […], and then foisted upon us an equally unqualified and unpalatable hard left alternative.

    They are already creating the groundwork for sucking more corporate dick.

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    Oh they know how to win. They just don’t want to. The policy decisions that would lock in Dem control for generations to come run counter to the goals of DNC Services Corp. Because they’re a corp.

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    What should they really learn? I’m sick of the blame being placed on decent people not doing enough.

    How about we blame the pieces of crap that support Trump who has too many disgusting qualities to list.

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    The DNC didn’t F up anything, this is all on the peasants.

    If the peasants want a grab em by the P convicted rapist to lead them in the name of some allah alkbar god, while defecating on the meto/blacklivesmatter/etc movements, allowing the same allah akbar jesus sheep to keep on swinging a giant 20 pound sledge hammer at women’s rights, guaranteeing them to be second class citizens once again in my lifetime, while also emboldening sexists, fascists, rapists, racists, etc, ALL IN THE NAME OF SOME GOD, then by all means, F you jesus, F your G, and Yahwe Akbar you dumb F’s, you’ll get what you asked for.

    Being a white middle class male, I’m going to win/lose either way, but I was hoping at least the country would move forward if they elected Harris. Now, we’re on the interstate to be the next Iran.

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    The funniest part of this is the idea that there will be an opposition party in anything but a token way after this.

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        Was there a party that did not install SCOTUS justices that were so ideologically conservative that they did things like end national legal abortion and gut the ability of government regulation agencies to regulate?

        Yes there was. But that party is not coming back except as a token now because people just didn’t think stopping the rapist fascist dictator was a good enough reason to vote.

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          But that party is not coming back except as a token now because people just didn’t think stopping the rapist fascist dictator was a good enough reason to vote

          The party didn’t think stopping the rapist fascist dictator was a good enough reason to listen to their voters

          FTFY

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            Nope. They can’t force anyone to vote for them. People thought not voting was a better plan than stopping the rapist fascist dictator when they only had two possible choices.

            There was an absolute mountain of evidence that Trump would be a disaster. They didn’t vote anyway because they knew they weren’t going to get a pony.

            Voting for people in a two-party system is the stupidest thing you can do because you will never get your way with any one politician. So you vote against and keep voting against until you get closer and closer to what you want.

            Just not voting or voting for third party candidates that will clearly lose against someone who has an automatic 30% of the vote doesn’t stop the worst possible thing from happening and it never will.

            If you didn’t vote to stop Trump from getting into office, I blame you. You had warning after warning and your idealism was more important to you.

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              They can’t force anyone to vote for them.

              Yup, which is why you need to give them reason to vote.

              Democrats have been parading around “most important election of our lifetime” for fucking years - don’t be surprised that it didn’t work yet again.

              The reason why Trump is popular is because there is legitimate pain and struggle in the working class, and he affirmed that pain and struggle (even if he was misidentifying the source of that pain). Telling voters “things are good, actually, and the other guy is gonna ruin it” is just dumb.

              Democrats didn’t run on popular policy and they got destroyed because of it.

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                Who said “things are good actually”?? Seems to me that Harris had plenty of policy proposals that would have resulted in a meaningful improvement to the bottom line of the average American.

                Biden has also been better for the average American than trump was. For fucks sake, Trump actually got away with raising taxes on all of us to support his tax cut for the rich, simply because the average person is too low information to grasp the idea of a tax cut that expires!

                So yeah, plenty of actual reasons to say that one candidate is better than the other, without needing to be wowed by an actual messiah who can dismantle our fucked up system and solve everybody’s problems.

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                  Regardless of what Biden has done for the average American, his approval rating has been really bad for a while now. It may not be right or fair, but that’s what it is.

                  Despite Harris not actually being the incumbent, the Republicans managed to associate her with Biden and she more or less embraced it. Then the Republicans were able to frame themselves as the challenger to an unpopular incumbent president and it’s not surprising they did well.

                  Of course, it didn’t help either that Harris is the VP either. Perhaps if we had a primary and managed to pick another candidate that could distance themselves a bit better from Biden things would be different.

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                  They repeatedly touted our economic recovery was ‘the best in the G6’.

                  Even when our economy is ‘good’ it’s shit for most people. That’s the problem with being a neoliberal status quo party: it doesn’t help most of the people they need to vote for them

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                Your post is CLASSIC misdirection and misrepresenting what the Dems actually did. IF these elections were fair, and I’ve reason to think they were not, then they got lost on higher gas prices. Which is A PRETTY STUPID AND SELFISH reason to vote for/not care about mass deportations. And they lost it on not attacking trump on the border and on the economy.

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                  So we are now in MAGA election roggong conspiracies? JFC. Trump even won the popular vote.

                  Look at the 2020 popular vote. Trump got 74 Mio. votes back then and 72 Mio. Now

                  The Dems went from 81 Mio. to 67 Mio.

                  The Dems succesfully fucked this up with uninspiring candidates and lack of vision to rally their voters.

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                They had a reason to vote.

                Their reason was that a rapist fascist who quoted Hitler and clearly has dementia that promised to deport millions of people and be a dictator on day one only had a 50/50 chance of being president.

                And they didn’t care because they didn’t like Kamala Harris much. Was she any of those things? No. But her boss is funding the same genocide in Israel that Trump said to Netanyahu “finish the job” about on national television, so no one better vote for her either!

                Sorry, not a good enough reason to not stop Trump. Not a good enough reason to refuse to vote. Not a good enough reason to vote third party.

                For fuck’s sake, do you think people voted for Joe Biden in 2020 because they thought he would be a terrific president?

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                  do you think people voted for Joe Biden in 2020 because they thought he would be a terrific president?

                  they voted for Biden because he made meaningful concessions to the progressive caucus. He gave Bernie a prominent roll in his campaign and made promises about student loan forgiveness and raising the minimum wage, on top of affirming people’s anxiety about covid and a pledge to address it.

                  Harris had none of that. She didn’t primary against progressive candidates, didn’t have to address progressive concerns, and when there was vocal opposition to any of her policies she said “excuse me, i’m speaking”. She was more right-moderate than Biden was, even if only because she didn’t face the progressive primary he did.

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              I agree with Flying Squid. It’s bizarre to think any sane person would now decide that the right strategy is to hate on minorities, or ditch all pretty normal behaviour such as adhere to the FUCKING LAW, NOT LIE (and spare me the #FalseEquivalence, it’s jaywalking Dems vs serial rapist Trump) and listen to effing EXPERTS. Dems should stick to their principles and await the serious shit show which is gonna happen with mass deportations, tariffs and even MORE INFLATION.

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    We also want to congratulate our friends in the Republican party, they played a great game and we can’t wait to work with them more.

    Republican National Committee Chair Michael Whatley is excited to see his colleagues at the DNC make the same mistakes over and over.

    This is amazing.

    “I saw how the DNC ignored voters, I saw how they talked down to people, and that just made my job easy. I go in and say ‘Democrats think you’re dumb, but Republicans think you’re a genius’ and these dopes eat it up like the slop they feed their pigs.

    Holy fuck is this even satire anymore? I can literally see a GOP campaign official say that in private.

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      Trump won Michigan by doing the absolute bare minimum of pretending to care about the core issues Harris actively ignored (cough genocide).

      And also paying probably like 50 bucks to spam send this image for two weeks.

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      In private? I can see them saying it on TV and the rubes still voting for them since all they watch is Fox News and they’d never run it.

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    They ran Harris thinking she would win based on her demographics. The DNC needs to learn that not everyone wants a black/LGBTQ/woman/etc candidate that just runs on their race/gender/sexuality.

    They want someone that’s competent that will campaign on policies that will make their lives better. The DNC has moved so far away from the working class that the RNC, the party of wealthy creeps, has them.

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      They ran Harris because she was the only candidate they could justify shoehorning in without a primary, since she’s VP.

      Why they didn’t want to run a primary is a great question. Probably cost and time, and name recognition. Studies show that often the candidate with the most name recognition wins. There’s wasn’t enough time to tell every person in America a brand new person’s name.

      But usually VPs don’t do well when they run as president. Imo Dems are just trying to avoid another Bernie Sanders situation - a leftist with an authentic campaign and people who genuinely like them. More than anything, they gotta stop real progress in this country.

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        Imo Dems are just trying to avoid another Bernie Sanders situation - a leftist with an authentic campaign and people who genuinely like them

        100% this is why. They didn’t want any internal pressure for progressive policies or a public platform to voice them.

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        They lost the general because they refused to hold a legitimate primary. This wouldn’t of happened. They haven’t run a real primary since 2008 and look at how hard Obama won in a landslide after competing in a deep field of qualified and competent candidates.

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          Even in 2008, it was obvious Clinton was the DNC’s preferred candidate and DNC still had their thumb on the scale. Despite this, Obama still managed to come out ahead. And with a base that was actually excited about their chosen candidate, they turned out to vote and Obama won.

          The only lesson the DNC learned from this is that they needed to push their thumb harder on the scales the next time around.

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            They learned two things: identity politics and weigh the scale down as hard as possible.

            They obsessed over identity, to their long term detriment as some of the minority identities they fawned over are shifting their support towards trump.

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      They had no platform other than fear mongering about Trump.

      The difference between Harris and Obama was that while Obama was biracial that wasn’t the focus of his campaign, his platform was, and he articulated it well. That’s the real lesson to take away from Obama’s success at the polls not let’s run a black person and hope we win.

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        Obama also competed against a deep field of qualified candidates in 2008. He went into the general with momentum of a popular mandate and then won in a landslide.

        He would of done nearly as good if he was a white man.

        On the flip side, when the republicans lost with Romney in 2012 they did a whole lot of soul searching (rather than blaming the electorate and moving closer to the center to court mythical ‘moderates’ which is the ongoing failed strategy of the democrats), and in 2016 they had an extremely competitive primary where trump came out on top with a mandate as popular with the base as Obama in 2008.

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          rather than … moving closer to the center to court mythical ‘moderate

          Looking back at 2016 I think Trump won exactly because he went for the middle: middle working class. I know we all thought he was going hard right (and he did appeal to them for certain reasons), but he campaigned to the middle class and won them.

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          Primaries also benefit from the same effect that makes every movie and TV show a reboot: Name recognition. The long primary cycle keeps their name in the news so people get familiar with it so they’re more likely to vote for them.

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      running token candidates beholden to them is very shady but brilliant strategy by the superpacs :

      if they loose: blame it on sexism, racism bigotry to divert the attention from reforms in dnc for progressive leadership. and even if they pretend to be sad about it, the megarich elites and donors get taxcuts and endless price gouging from republicans.

      if they win: token candidate passes some token laws which gets either blocked in senate or so poorly implemented that they actually end up giving billions to megacorps for no visible benefit to people. case in point: https://www.atr.org/kamalas-broadband-bust-42-billion-996-days-zero-homes-connected/

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      They ran Harris because she was the only viable option when it was clear that Biden was not. They did not run Harris thinking she would win at all, they ran her out of desperation because the incumbent was flatlining. It was not a choice, and it certainly was not one based on demographics. It was a “Hail Mary” and it failed as it was likely to do from the outset, and everyone who was paying attention knew that, yet had no choice but to hope for the best.

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        lol, you believe this? I don’t find it hard to believe that they put Biden though a primary, just to have him drop out…

        IMO running Harris was the plan from the beginning. You know, which was kind of the problem, hijacking the primary.

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          lol, you believe this?

          Do I believe that about four months ago the Democratic Party made a desperate move to replace the incumbent candidate and there were very few viable options at the time? Yes, I believe that, because we just went through it about four months ago. It’s pretty much political suicide to withdraw an incumbent candidate. You don’t plan that from the beginning, because that would be a stupid plan. It was very likely “planned” as in “plan B,” but it’s kind of idiotic to think that it was plan A. The primary was not hijacked, the incumbent is always the candidate. Primaries are always a formality for the incumbent party.

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          To use your own words, you believe that?

          This was not a grand conspiracy geez. Biden’s “primary” was perfunctory because we learned you never primary the incumbent. If he didn’t perform badly at the debate he probably wouldn’t have dropped out.

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        So every racist and misogynist will say she did anyways.

        Including the ones on Lemmy.

        I think she, and to a greater extent the policies of the Democratic Party since Carter just cost America the Republic but there is literally nothing a black woman could do to convince some people she’s competent in her own right.

        Competent at neoliberal corporate cronyism, mind you. But Harris’s qualifications by herself are rock solid.

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      She quite specifically DIDNT run on those things, like Hillary did…so…