Because Fruits were taxed higher than vegetables, so importers started listing them as a vegetable.
It’s tax dodges all the way down.
Might have been more productive to let them pass it. Lesson learned kinda thing
“Fruit” within culinary is usually applied to “sweeter” forms of fruits, and the more savory forms usually get called “vegetable” instead regardless of being botanically called fruits or not.
Tomatoes are sweet
Botanically is there such thing as a “vegetable”?
VIC?!
Vegetables aren’t actually a thing though. Just a bunch of things we grouped because we like eating them.
There’s no such thing as a fish
True. They are just water based government drones, to keep tabs on the mermaid population
Yes there is. Taxonomists aren’t the only people who give meaning to words
“Taxonomists aren’t the only people who give meaning to words”
Eloquently put! You’ve expressed a feeling that I have had for a while now and couldn’t quite put into the appropriate words! Thanks 🙏🏼
*within taxonomy, I think most people can conceive of a fish in colloquial terms.
Whales are taxonomically fish.
No??? They’re mammals, where did you pull this information out of?
All mammals are taxonomically fish. Perhaps even all chordates. YOU are a fish!
After this conversation, I wish I was.
It doesn’t matter why are you roleplaying as a botanist if you don’t see that culinary definitions and scientific classification are two separate things. One is really useless for the average person and the other is probably also a foreign concept to everyone having quirky discussions about whether or not cakes are hotdogs or smoothies, because they are the type of people to tweet a 60 page essay about why expecting neurodivergents people to cook their own meal should be considered a hate crime.
Tomatoes don’t belong in a fruit salad
What about cherry tomatoes or grape tomatoes?
whether or not cakes are hotdogs or smoothies,
Depends on the preparation, if blended with juice or yoghurt: smoothie.
Like when the state of Indiana changed the definition of pi
Almost changed the definition of pi. It passed the House, but a professor from Purdue happened to be in the Statehouse on unrelated business the day the Senate voted on it. He managed to convince enough Senators that it was a terrible idea and they absolutely roasted it on the floor.
The Wikipedia article on it is great. “Legislative History” is the interesting bit. My favorite part is this:
An assemblyman handed [Prof. Waldo] the bill, offering to introduce him to the genius who wrote it. He declined, saying that he already met as many crazy people as he cared to.
“(…) he already met as many crazy people as he cared to.”
My spirit animal.
Very relatable
My stubborn position is that all fruits are vegetables.
Anything that comes from a plant (vegetation) is a vegetable.
EDIT: Reading up on the case, they apparently didn’t treat fruits and vegetables as disjoint sets but rather with fruits as a subset of vegetables. So far, so good…
HOWEVER, they also apparently ruled that tomatoes don’t count as a fruit because they aren’t eaten for dessert…
Wow… just… wow.
Fruit is a scientific term. Vegetable is a culinary term.
Fruit is also a culinary term that is not identical to its meaning as a scientific term
There we go. A tomato can be a fruit and not a fruit at the same time.
Oh cool, now we can namedrop Schrödinger into this to give an even more educated impression.
That only makes you seem educated to the uneducated
A real Kroger Dinner situation.
I love you.
That’s the one the SCOTUS used.
because they aren’t eaten for dessert
This sounds to me like a reasonable way to disqualify something as a culinary fruit.
Folks like to make a big hullabaloo about tomatoes being technically a fruit, but no one gives a second thought about referring to peppers, cucumbers, green beans, eggplant, avocado, pumpkins & other squash, or corn on-the-cob as vegetables even though they are all technically fruit.
And I was being picky there, because beans, peas, grains and nuts are all also technically fruit. Heck, lots of “nuts” like peanuts and cashews aren’t even really nuts.
Keep your taxonomy out of my kitchen:
- Fruit are sweet.
- Vegetables are not.
- Grains make bread.
- Herbs and spices add a lot of flavor with a little bit. Herbs are the green ones.
- nuts are. They just are. Don’t think about it too hard.
Hold the presses!! Americans don’t count avocados as fruit?!
Is that because they’ve never eaten a tree ripened avocado? It’s not sweet like a mango, but it’s sweet. Eat a green banana or strawberry and see if it’s sweet. That’s no way to tell the dessert potential of produce!
Wait, you’ve found one! I consider peppers their own thing, culinarily speaking anyway, neither fruit nor vegetable.
The rest of your bullet points I basically agree with, but there’s also
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peppers are peppery, not always hot, red bell are sweet, and green bell tastes like feet.
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seeds are seedy, don’t think about the difference between them and nuts, some questions are not for mortal man.
Peppers are seasoning. ducks
You can season duck with peppers, sure. Seasoning is a verb, to season one uses herbs, spices, peppers, (or if we’re talking about cast iron, oil or wax.)
You don’t consider peppers spices? When something has a lot of pepper, wouldn’t you say it’s… spicy?
Riddle me that.
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Fruits are edible seed pods. Nuts are inedible seed pods but have edible seeds.
Fruit makes wine.
Grain makes beer
Nuts in the right contexts make nougat, nut paste or babies.
Fruit are sweet. Vegetables are not.
Carrots, caramelized onions?
Those fruits are of the devil and the less we speak of them the better
You know that caramelized onions don’t come from a plant?
Sugar beet
Fruit are sweet.
Counterpoint: Oranges, pineapples
Lemons and limes were right there man, they were right there
They’re not fruits by culinary definition.
Unless you eat them like oranges?😯
In that case, seek help.
Edit: On a serious note, I guess this is cultural difference?
Those are incredibly sweet highly acidic foods. The acid is what balances the sweet.
Both of those are sweet and fruit…?
They are sour. Or tart, in case of pineapples.
You tartness and sweetness are two orthogonal axes. A fruit can be both quite tart and quite sweet, like some varieties of pineapple and cherry.
You are buying shitty pineapple. To select a good pineapple:
Tug at the center most leaf on top of the fruit, it should give easily. It should smell like pineapple. The skin should be golden colored to slight green (sl underripe) or a very slight touch brown (overripe). The bottom should be dry. The very green ones that you can get for $2-3 never ripen properly as they were picked too early.
Informative.
Please change your username to ananasexpert.
I want to try the pineapples you’re getting. Ours are sweet, but that’s about it.
As a former worker at a steel plant, I concur.
Underrated comment 👏
Care to explain to this poor guy?
Anything that comes from a plant is a vegetable
former worker at a steel plant concurs
Implying that steel workers are brainless
That’s not really a stubborn position. That’s definitively true.
All fruits are vegetables; not all vegetables are fruit.
Botanical vs culinary. Different contexts; different definition per context. There is not a problem here.
Vegetable isn’t even a botanical definition.
They’re also a Native American food that was made famous by Italians, celebrated by the Spanish, honoured by the French, used by the English and turned into Ketchup by the Americans … another bit of multicultural history of America.
Ketchupbased BBQ sauce*
Ya skipped a level.
What’s the deal with the background? Screenshots aren’t what they used to be, back in my day the worst that could happen was for the image to turn into a pixelated mess after being re-uploaded 1000 times.
Now I sometimes see images getting tilted by 5%, random words crossed out in yellow, and whatever the fuck happened here.
Idk, I stole the meme from somewhere
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It wouldn’t be very patriotic of me to be patriotic of a foreign country.
