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My god, windows is a joke.
Yeah, don’t use Microsucks eh
Manager shared their screen on a call last week. The horror!
I think I’m going to be sick.
Bruh
Efficiency™
Omg that’s amazing! Lmao
Do you know that after taste of bad soda? Most soda, really, but I mean specifically that awful post-sweet flavor you get after drinking a C-brand warm soda, or those extremely artificial candy that just makes you go “I just tasted an industrial machine and corn syrup”, those that really make you feel like you’re tasting some awful combination of lab grade chemicals and no food that’s ever existed in nature is present in there.
Imagining that taste in your mouth? That’s how I feel whenever I see or interact with Windows nowadays.
You can’t even call it “personal” computing anymore
It infuriates me to no end that the term “PC” has become indistinguishable from “computer running windows.” Firstly, any personal computer, whether it’s running Windows, MacOS, Linux, TempleOS, etc is a PC/personal computer. Secondly, as you pointed out, Microslop does not allow users to take personal ownership of their computer.
The term PC has been used to mean x86 compatible machines designed to run Microsoft operating systems for 45 years now; IBM started using the term for their model 5150 in 1981. It was too generic to trademark but they did trademark “IBM Personal Computer” and “IBM-PC”. You had other platforms like Apple Macintosh, Atari ST, Commodore Amiga, and among them the IBM Personal Computer. That was one company’s branding. If you were releasing software, you’d say “For Mac, Amiga and PC.”
It just so happens the one with the very generic name also happened to be made of almost entirely off-the-shelf parts and a third-party OS they didn’t bother to secure exclusive rights to, so the only thing they really held IP rights over was the BIOS. Compaq engineered a non-infringing BIOS, and boom the PC was now an open standard, and hence it was the one that got widely adopted. “IBM-Compatible” was attempted for awhile, but that kinda died when IBM bowed out of the market entirely, “x86-compatible” is awkward, “Intel-compatible” is also awkward because the 64-bit extensions are actually AMD’s doing, and MS-DOS or MS-Windows compatible is incorrect because other OSes are available. So…we use “PC” to describe the ecosystem as a whole for lack of any better term.
I’ve taken to calling it my “desktop computer” because PC is a meaningless term
My phone is a personal computer.
Windows: An experience you can taste.
You nailed it. I get the same icky feeling, like I know it won’t immediately kill me, but I’m vaguely doing something wrong and maybe bad or unsafe. It exists on a discomfort/danger continuum somewhere lower than “young me walking in on parents fucking” but higher than “shoplifting lip balm from Krogers”.
No one that’s never been to the US and drank sodas there can relate to this, which is the majority of humanity.
I never been to the US, luckily, and wrote it myself so…
I fucking hate one drive and how it is constantly shoved in your face. Thanks, let me use my computer and save to my computer, that is right here beside me. I know where my computer is and who has access to it. Thanks! I built my computer with storage capacity on purpose?!
Reading this stuff as a Linux user is a real trip. Y’all know you don’t have to put up with this, right?
Well, when the company wants something running on Windows, you got to keep one around.
I don’t have a problem with it mirroring my documents to a cloud service. But I want to decide to use that service first, and set up the specific folders its going to mirror. And I want to retain copies of those files on my local drive, where they can be used just like they’re files on the local drive (because that’s where they are). And if I decided to stop using that service, I should be able to continue using the files the same way as before.
People that don’t want to use the cloud service (or don’t want to use specifically Microsoft’s cloud service), should not be badgered about it at every opportunity.
Every fucking update it tries to dark pattern me into setting it up. They even have the gall to be like “okay but we’re going to ask again” when you refuse it. I already have a backup, just fuck off.
Yea- Decade of the Linux Desktop!
And people STILL think I’m weird weird for hating 11
Windows is becoming increasingly hostile and really I think the only reason people and businesses still use it is mass Stockholm syndrome.
It’s the ultimate vendor lock. All of our productivity software is on windows, we designed our productivity stacks around windows.
F’real. And lots of specialized software has marginal support for Linux at best, so it ends up being a chicken/egg problem. There’s no business software for Linux because nobody uses Linux for business because there’s no business software for Linux.
I hope many other IT orgs will realize that it’s so much easier at the end of the day to thinapp them through a platform like Omnissa or whatever Citrix is calling theirs now.
Then, hopefully, Linux numbers go up and it gets treated like the first-class citizen it deserves to be.
The idea of atomic linux desktops in an enterprise setting tickles me in a way that would get me called into HR.
IGEL OS could potentially get this kind of pull going from medical/govt primarily to more general business
Never heard of it. But we are a .mil contractor (among other things…we put a lot of R&D into civilian tech and biomed, and that’s almost entirely funded by the blood money, so my conscience is conflicted, spare me more lecturing) and security is paramount.
So I’m pretty much telling everyone I know at work about this now. Especially as we are teeing off a move towards more VDI, more cloud-first (.mil makes us lag behind on that stuff). This…it’s everything I wanted.
People look at me weird for using Signal, Linux, VPN, Filen, etc. Like sorry I don’t like sucking capitalist dick?
I like my dick very leftish. 🤤
I get a lot of that too. “It works just fine” is a common justification I hear from people 🤦♂️
Which is true for the majority of people, because the majority of people just don’t care. With most day to day windows issues, the fix is just restarting it or abusing the IT person in your family for free support.
Windows is definitely bad from a power user’s standpoint. But, the things we consider downfalls are often seen as benefits to those who don’t know any better (and who don’t care to know any better).
Like, Microsoft saving your important documents in the cloud, for free, so a drive failure won’t cause you to lose your data sounds great on the surface.
The AX211 wifi adapter in my work laptop just straight up stopped functioning after a windows update. I can’t even.
Going to ask IT for a linux image. In the meanwhile I use usb tethering.
My whole life it was a common knowledge that Windows alternates between OK and worst shit imaginable. 95 was shit, 98 was passable. ME was terrible, XP was OK. Vista was dogshit, 7 was all right. 8 was cancer, 10 was functional. 11 was doomed from the beginning, and it’s weird that some people don’t know this.
21H2 wasn’t that bad, by comparison to 24H2.
But that’s like saying George W wasn’t that bad, by comparison to Trump.
Yeah, it’s true, but you’re comparing road apples and pedophiles.
Anyone questioning you at this point is an obvious shill.
I find it amazing that I can’t play offline Xbox 360 games, that I own, on series S, without Gamepass, without first signing out of Xbox.
Wtf?
I cancelled Gamepass a few weeks ago and the first “tell” that it was cancelled is that my kids Minecraft Java Edition wouldn’t work because it was using my Gamepass. I could’ve sworn I had merged my Mojang account years ago, but couldn’t get my kid back online without buying it again.
All together now: “YOU SHOULD TRY LINUX!”
‘Work laptop’. Unless you’re self employed or work with a very generous IT manager, you get what you’re given.
I asked IT if they could disable onedrive and they did for me, I was surprised they said yes but they didnt care at all. Doesnt hurt to ask
I pretend that the button does a “cha ching” sound every time I press it. I’m paid the same hourly rate for doing my job or dismissing microsoft dialog buttons.
You can always make your case. IT doesn’t want an additional headache of dealing with another infrastructure, but a lot of the time they will be OK if you will convince them that you will deal with your weird shit on your own.
Sure, quite often there are weird security problems, sure, sometimes there is no way to use necessary software on Linux, but just as often there isn’t, and you just need to convince them that you know what you’re doing.Folks choose to forgo support to use Linux where I work.
I don’t know how many of them are actually competent to support themselves. I only hear from the ones who are both incompetent and also manage to find out that I am (was?) a Linux admin.
Years ago my boss told me a researcher was using Linux and had a couple questions for me. That email thread could have been edited and turned into a Linux Administration for Dummies book. It was months and months. Every answered question led to three or four more questions.
That boss retired, and the new boss is a 100% Microsoft guy, so at least I won’t have to support clueless Linux users anymore.
From time to time I hear about someone getting a Linux server set up. When I ask, they say the vendor is managing updates on the server. When I check I find that the server hasn’t had any updates or reboots since it was installed.
Nice.
At my place, most problems happened with Windows. Although those systems were air-gapped, problems occurred with the local-network updates setup by the IT team.
Most Linux systems were either used only for internet or treated as “devices”, so minimal complaints there.
The software developers’ Linux systems were expected to be handled by themselves, so any IT support would just be a favour.
Every single criticism in this post could be equally leveled against windows and its users. Especially the part about servers not being updated. Your second paragraph is also a classic example of survivorship bias.
Of course.
If enough people at a job complain about Windows, they’ll deploy Linux. Or at least Mac. IT people for Linux can usually manage several times the machines IT people for Windows can.
No, they won’t. Maybe in small shops with only people who are advanced users and don’t need/develop software for Windows. The rest is fantasy.
Hell the US military is using Ubuntu desktop, you can request it over windows, windows is the default though. Imagine the savings in electricity and licensing when getting rid or reducing windows usage.
You don’t think anyone would deploy Linux if 100% of employees wanted it over Windows? It only took about 10% (based on how many people I saw using it) at LinkedIn before they started offering it. Admittedly, that’s a tech company, but it’s also owned by Microsoft, and they still let us use Linux. And that was in ~2018, when Windows wasn’t that bad.
I know from experience. Moving to Mac is more likely, but that comes with higher costs. And most non-tech people are deep in the M$ Office/365 and even Windows tends to be too complicated for them. Many of them can’t even follow two picture instructions, let alone move to another OS.
Presumably
- This is for onedrive specifically
- Something is trying to access something in onedrive which throws this error
It’s really strange how in-browser onedrive will sometimes prompt you with a “Please sign in!”, with two buttons, sign in, and ignore/later or something. And then you click that and it keeps being signed in. Lol, lmao even. Code written by absolute tic tacs. Am I fucking signed in or not?!
Windows has issues, but part of the disconnect here is from a person not understanding or not acknowledging the differences between a work computer and a personal one.
tools should be good by default
And a cloud storage account and a local device account.
Not defending any of the other stuff here, but signing in to access offline mode is not a weird requirement. It’s security for files tied to your office/email account, not just your local device account, that you may or may not want to give open access to for anyone using the device account. It’s a private drive, and that would be literally the only point in using a cloud drive in permanent offline mode on that device, that layer of security. Otherwise, just save your docs in your normal user directory.
Everything else about this is stupid though.
Otherwise, just save your docs in your normal user directory.
I thought the implication of “disabling” OneDrive was exactly that. This guy doesn’t want to use it at all and it keeps throwing errors anyway. But I don’t use Windows and never touched OneDrive when I did so I could be wrong.
It just… sounds a lot like Microsoft is all, so a lot of people relate to it. It’s not just Microsoft of course, it’s any enshittified tech company that’s been around too long - they have too many mouths to feed and require a constant ever-increasing stream of Number Go Up which leads to shit behavior like this. It’s designed to hassle users into using their subscription services whether they like it or not.
I was just with some out of town friends this weekend and telling them how I don’t use any cloud services at all and they were just stunned “how do you do your pictures then? We have to pay for extra space!!” and I’m like “I… back things up in 3 places manually once or twice a year?” It didn’t compute. People are largely captured, this shit behavior works and that’s why they do it.
I thought the implication of “disabling” OneDrive was exactly that.
One drive creates a local directory that you can save files in, and all the files in that directory are synced to cloud storage. You can free up storage by removing it locally and only storing it on the cloud, and you can pull files from the cloud to use locally, so you can access the same files from any device you log into. But you dont have to save your files there where they are synced. You can save them in normal local directories instead.
Disabling one drive disables the sync functionality, so saving files in the one drive directory are only stored locally and you cant pull or even see non-local files or updates to those files from the cloud. But that doesn’t disable the login requirement to access that directory because it is still tied to a specific Microsoft account, not the local device account. So one could use the one drive directory as a password protected directory to prevent access from other users (though there are much better ways to do that). But if that is not the goal, there is no reason to log in to one drive or its directory at all. In fact, it could be uninstalled altogether and then everything will just be a normal directory.
This guy doesn’t want to use it at all and it keeps throwing errors anyway.
Then he can uninstall it, unless his work computer admits dont allow it. Dont get me wrong, it was exhibiting fucky behavior, and Microsoft is very often “helpful” in ways most antithetical to the word, but the fix for software you dont use is always the same. Uninstall.
Are the files on disk encrypted? Can you recover them without logging in your account?
Not encrypted locally (by default). Only on the cloud. The files that are stored locally can be recovered without your account. Files that you have freed up or files synced from other devices that your haven’t downloaded to this one are not accessible without logging in and accessing the cloud.
The software that you don’t open yourself shouldn’t behave like that, and “just uninstall it” isn’t an appropriate answer here. It shouldn’t be normalised, it should be ridiculed and criticized.
Bloatware has been an annoying problem for decades. It’s not a new problem.
Yeah, it absolutely isn’t
You have to sign in to enable offline mode because it’s a security feature to ensure that only you have access to that data. The sentence is not confusing at all.
As for the other two, I don’t know.
I don’t really agree with it not being confusing. Offline mode should be the default behavior of Onedrive when nobody is logged in because if nobody is logged in there’s probably nobody wanting to use the service. Having to log into the service to tell it “I don’t want to use you” is stupid.
If there was a news site spamming your email with clickbait articles and the only way to stop them from spamming your email is by logging into the news site to let them know you don’t want their news you’d probably call that stupid. You should be able to stop their spamming without needing to log in.
It’s not confusing when you just accept that you have to log into somewhere just to turn it off.
Having to log into the service to tell it “I don’t want to use you” is stupid.
You see, this guarantees that you have an account with the service, which means Microslop gets to report rising user engagement numbers.
Does it matter that the “engagement” was telling them to stuff their Onedrive where the sun don’t shine? No, not at all! A new user logged into the service. That’s all they care about.
Just because it’s not confusing to you, because you have access to additional context, doesn’t mean it isn’t intrinsically confusing.
What is written is essentially “go online to go offline”.
I frequently ask my people to shout out thier ideas to brainstorm. “The first idea will be the worst. We’ll iterate on it. Let’s get the worst idea out quickly”
This message smacks of “the first, worst, idea”
I’ll propose a second idea:
“Sign in to decrypt offline files”
Is it good? Still no. Is it better? Probably. What would you propose as a third iteration?
“Offline” is an adjective in the phrase “offline mode”. Go online to turn on that mode.
This does not require context, only reading comprehension.
Lol
“Offline” is an adjective in the phrase “offline mode”. Go online to turn on that mode.
Dumped dovetail’s Agra gigolos welted tenses.
Not confusing at all ? what about the double negation… “turn on offline mode” sounds like those boolean settings in some programs which turn something off when you set them to “on”…
When I was forced to download steam after I bought empire total war only to find unlike previous games there was no physical disk, steam had to be downloaded, spied on you constantly, and drained your battery and cpu, and constantly made you ask for permission to use the game. You could play it offline but it would constantly give you error messages about needing to check online to play offline or something.
Point being, in that case the real purpose was to foil software pirating, video game developers are very aggressive in combating piracy, to the point of denying legitimate users the right to use their games, in effect justifying piracy of that particular game in my opinion.
It is to foil piracy, but in this case, not software piracy, but piracy of your personal data. One drive is a cloud storage platform similar to Dropbox.
Saying bad things about valve/steam will get you hate on here. Its not fair but because of what they’ve done for linux recently people on this website don’t appreciate valid criticism thrown in their direction.
Surely that comment is just getting downvoted for being irrelevant rather than for criticising Steam? It’s barely connected to the post, totally unconnected to the comment it’s replying to, and blaming Valve for decisions made by the Total War devs
Its relevant because it describes a company that uses DRM for you to access your stuff which is exactly what the post is of.
That’s the connection to the post, but it’s not a connection to the parent comment and also not Valve’s decision
The original comment is also describing DRM. Look I know and understand that steam works great and is easier than piracy but that doesn’t mean it isnt DRM.
Okay, sure. I don’t think either I or the parent comment said it wasn’t DRM, I just read the parent comment as explaining the sentence that was described as ambiguous. The question remains: how is that DRM Steam’s fault?
Early steam was pretty shit. But Valve doesn’t need to answer to shareholders, and so made their product better every year for the sake of making it better. Which also made Gabe rich as fuck.
So yeah, we all love Valve and Steam now.
I’ve been a loyal customer on steam for 16 years and have over 400 games on there. Valve has never abused their power and I trust them for the time being. However none of that changes the fact that I don’t really own any of the games I bought through them because I have to log into steam to access them. And that kinda sucks and criticism of that is valid.
because I have to log into steam to access them.
You only need to log into steam once to download it. After that you can go offline forever, and, unless I’m missing something, the game will always be playable.
Offline mode works on prior authentification. If you know of a way to access your steam games (even if you have them downloaded) on a new OS without using the steam client, I would be delighted to hear about it.
It depends on a game, some, rarely, you can just start, but most will check for a steam account to see if the game isn’t just copied. As far as anti-piracy measures go, it’s quite a tame one. You want them to allow you to just copy a game and start it, and it never how it worked.
So yeah, like I said, you need to login into steam once, and then you can go offline.
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What in the vibe code fuckery?
