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        Unlike a lot of sectors though, Airbus knows what they’re doing and is a high profile alternative, and unlike the US, hasn’t yet completely internalized our sociopathic greed disease to our degree, despite the global economic pressure we inflict on other nations encouraging them to betray and cause harm to their own societies and citizens if it means an extra nickel of short term private profit.

        Don’t worry though, the UK has fallen to the greed disease, and our capitalists are bribing and coercing their way eastward, and they won’t stop until they either are physically stopped by something like climate change, or successfully make the world forget that Economies are lowly tools that are supposed to exist solely to benefit the people of the society they are a lowly tool for.

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          won’t stop until they […] are physically stopped by something like climate change

          Ah I see you’re an optimist.

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            I have just come to acceptance with who we are, and enjoy the accidental poetry of our reckless worship of greed/gluttony/growth/metastasis being our, accelerating going by the latest science still going on deaf ears, end.

            I also enjoy all the very corporate culture like bargaining that’s going on with cold, hard, unflinching physics. Oh we won’t make our non-binding emissions goals and grid standards, so we’ll just roll those back, the climate will understand!

            We’re tackling our own self-inflicted, reverse terraforming climate disaster with the stages of grief because we refuse to stop and change how we live to find homeostasis with this world, so this isn’t going to end well, and just like with clean coal/corn ethanol/plant a tree offsets/planet scale carbon scrubbers and all the other private profit driven snake oil “solutions,” we aren’t going to science up a magic bullet to save us from the epically irresponsible actions of our epically irresponsible species.

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              we aren’t going to science up a magic bullet to save us from the epically irresponsible actions of our epically irresponsible species.

              In-fuckin-deed. All the talk about “carbon capture” schemes makes my skin crawl.

              Well it’s either that or delusional parasitosis that makes my skin crawl, but anyhow.

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                  Yeah, although without the cool space station and cyberpunk-ish tech. I doubt we’ll get that far.

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          Also Boeing is buying back it’s fuselage supplier that it originally spun of into it’s own business (because it wasn’t profitable for Boeing back then).

          The problem now is that supplier also makes fuselages for Airbus. So Boeing is gonna be making them for Airbus…

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          Economies are lowly tools that are supposed to exist solely to benefit the people of the society they are a lowly tool for.

          What complete gutter trash talk. Economies serve the master of mankind.

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        You can only do so much marketing though. People don’t want to fly in these planes if it means a huge risk to their life. It’s simpler to just say no thanks. Businesses don’t want them if customers aren’t going to pay to fly on them. So marketing can only do so much. In the end your product needs to work. If it doesn’t, then again people don’t want to fly in them… And so on.

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      they need to make a reality show out of what it looks like to be held accountable and go through the justice system, using some of these soulless pieces of shit as examples. showcase the turmoil of the disgraced family torn apart and offer no help. the public can laugh at their pain the same way they certainly laugh at the issues of the common people they neglect and oppress.

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      Despite the recent slow sales, Boeing still has a huge backlog of over 5,600 orders

      I wonder what those orders are? They could be mainly orders for extra bolts.

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        Not sure if this is serious. Boeing and Airbus are booked with orders for the next several years. They both could not get a single new order and would have work to do for the next half decade.

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          Several years is an understatement. At current rates of production it will take at least 14 years to fulfill all orders.

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          Not sure if this is serious.

          if you are really not sure whether this:

          They could be mainly orders for extra bolts.

          is serious, then i recommend to not attempt crossing a street without supervision 😜

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            its a valid question.

            “Are they orders for whole planes, or for anything boeing might produce such as bolts?”

            Does that simplify it for you? Careful crossing the streets

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              They are for whole planes. As these sales figures always are.

              FYI same goes for car sales.

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              its a valid question.

              no, it is not.

              do you really think that article talking about number of ordered planes suddenly switched to number of spare parts? does that sound logical to you? if you don’t recognize such obvious sarcasm, you really shouldn’t try to deliver burns to others, you’ll just burn yourself in the process.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders_and_deliveries

              long story short: the numbers mean whole aircraft. i hope it is simple enough for you.

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        Those are orders for the 737. Not parts, newly constructed aircraft. Airbus’s similary sized A320 has a backlog of 7197 according to wikipedia.

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          I know actually building a plane is hard, but this is crazy. They are bigger, but still not dissimilar from 60s aviation. I know that safety standards are strict (not for Boeing apparently though), but still - what, nobody else can satisfy the demand for passenger airplanes?

          Passenger planes being built mostly by Boeing and Airbus, consumer chips being produced mostly by TSMC, this is a very strange outcome really. As if the average human thought monopoly is good for them.

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        Boeing is the industry in the military-industrial-complex. Commercial jetliners are an ancillary product for them.

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          No, their airlines are not an ancillary product. They are their main product. According to Boeing’s earnings reports, the commercial aircraft segment of the company made up 56% of total revenue in 2018, 42% in 2019, 27% in 2020, 30% in 2021, 38% in 2022, and 43% in 2023. The rest of their revenue is split between the Defense, Space and Security segment, and the Global Services segment.

          Prior to 2017, the vast majority of the earnings for the whole company came from the Commercial Airplanes segment. Since then, that segment has been operating at a loss. Since 2022, both Defense and Commercial Airplanes have been operating at a loss.

          If you’re curious you can look up Boeing’s 10-k form. Page 56 has the revenue breakdowns.

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    They might start sending assassins to threaten their buyers soon

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        Same company that has the Starliner with leaks staying at the ISS. Not a good look.

        Marketing department is going to be working overtime.

        The brand new 737 Boeing Goeing. Cheaper than all others on the market with a 15 year warranty. Gaurenteed to keep you Goeing. For fucks sake, we’re Boeing.

        This is a whole new remodeled version of our Max that had various issues that concerned our buyers. Now, we’ve added an onboard AI that will detect which items to advertise to customers based off past sales and gender/sex/age/height/and weight. Up your sales numbers guaranteed to increase from the info we scrape off the Internet or buy from Google directly. Built in auto serve tray so the hosts don’t need to find the orders, they are auto placed on a exiting conveyor that feeds right onto the cart you roll up!

        These beauties are all thrown in for free when you invest in your future that’s Goeing places.

        *Doors may become from nowhere, wheels may fall off, leaks may occur, but your profits will skyrocket. Landings not guaranteed.

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      It’s not so much what the Boeing CEO called the issue so much as a technical term for when a non-conforming product gets sold at its planned inspection operation.

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    I also haven’t bought one.

    This shows that there must be actual problems with their aircraft though because airlines are not going to care about public attitude, due to the company’s politics. But if they are genuinely unsafe vehicles or have the potential to be unsafe vehicles, then they’ll stay away.

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      If public attitude ever got significant enough that they couldn’t fill a certain model of plane they would definitely stop buying them, that said I’m not sure we’re at that point.

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        Every person I know who has flown in the last six months has inquired about the manufacturer of their plane before boarding

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          I think the nail in the coffin will be the amount someone is willing to pay to not ride on one of those planes. And we’re talking money and time.

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        Flight booking websites literally added these plane models so you could filter out specific planes to avoid those flights because of these stories.

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    I’m sure the millionaire dipshits who cut corners and killed people are super worried.

    laughs in golden parachute

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    Yeah, yeah, but the executives that took the various decisions that made Boeing what it is now are even more millionaire than when they started at Boeing and will not see the inside of a jail cell, ever.

    So we can all rest easy knowing that those we are constantly told are the most important people who deserve to be paid so much because of being risk takers and wealth creators, will be just fine, as if a few “nobody” whistleblowers had to be taken out, well, that’s a price the trully important risk taking wealth creators were willing to pay.

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      I was watching this Korean show, they made a whole huge deal about a corporation stealing 5 billion won from the public. I literally burst out laughing when I googled the conversion and it’s 3.5 mil USD, big corporations here steal that amount in a quarter second just by breathing yet in Korea it’s apparently an amount worthy of its own entire show. US is such a fucked oligarchy.

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        Assuming the show reflects corporate values and isn’t just propaganda like US police shows are intended to make the Korean public (and anyone watching from outside of Korea) think that that’s how that would be treated.

        From what I understand, South Korea’s economy is dominated by a small number of mega corps (like Samsung) that try to do pretty much everything.

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    The 737 Max is a garbage product they crashed and burned with their MCAS woes. They should give up the iconic product line and go all in on selling the safer 777 as its replacement. Yes, its built for a greater range, but the 777 hasn’t been fucked with in terms of fail-deadly systems yet, and its the safest plane Boeing has in its fleet.

    Boeing’s customers are already out-ordering other models over the 737 Max, the decision is being made for them!

    If they do nothing, Airbus will get enough orders to expand its factories and blow through its backlog.

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      Or in an even darker timeline Lockheed-Martin or Raytheon will open a commercial division, I guess at least the shit will work

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    This is the greed that was awesome for the fuckers profiting of cutting the costs of engineering…now we reap the benefits of losing a worldwide prominence in aviation because some scum from McDonald Douglass wanted to get rich…at American expense.