Time magazine called the ex-president’s plans ‘an imperial presidency that would reshape America and its role in the world’

Donald Trump has warned that Joe Biden and his family could face multiple criminal prosecutions once he leaves office unless the US supreme court awards Trump immunity in his own legal battles with the criminal justice system.

In a sweeping interview with Time magazine, Trump painted a startling picture of his second term, from how he would wield the justice department to hinting he may let states monitor pregnant women to enforce abortion laws.

Trump made the threat against the Biden family in an interview with Eric Cortellessa of Time, in which he shared the outlines of what the magazine called “an imperial presidency that would reshape America and its role in the world”.

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    Fuck TIME Magazine for giving anyone a platform to make threats against others.

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      But it’s important that the stuff he says gets documented. If for no other reason than if it all goes downhill, the alien anthropologists can figure out what the hell happened after we exterminate ourselves.

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          Except he can still run for and win the presidency from jail. Clearly still important for anyone who is amazingly still on the fence to know that he ja threatening to do scary shit.

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            I refuse to believe anyone is still on the fence. There are bigots who support Trump, and there are bigots who support Trump but don’t want to admit they are bigots out loud.

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              Refusing to believe reality doesn’t make reality go away.

              Ironically, refusing to believe reality is something trump supporters are infamous for.

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              There are the people on the fence about voting for Biden. Given that it’s a two party system, that effectively means that some people are on the fence about whether they want to help Trump win or help him lose.

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                And I’m saying I think those people are liars. They want Trump to win, but they think admitting that out loud will make them look bad.

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                  I agree, but I don’t think it’s all of them. Some of them genuinely don’t want Trump or Biden to win, and think the right way to be heard democratically is to vote third party or spoil their ballot or something

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    The implication, well one of many, is that the President is the one charging Trump with these crimes. He’s being charged for state crimes, by the various states AGs, in accordance to their laws. He’s also being sued civilly by people he’s defrauded, sexually assaulted, or defamed.

    The current president and current administration has had no input in any of this.

    The federal cases he has stem from his “mishandling” of classified documents after he was out of office. This case is being handled by a special prosecutor who is insulated from the executive and bound by laws, procedure, legal ethics, etc to act independently from the administration.

    So, at the end of the day it’s just more absolute horse shit from Trump and more evidence he should never be on the ballot.

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    “If you give me immunity for my crimes, I’ll give you immunity for your crimes. Deal?”
    “I haven’t committed any crimes.”
    “…”

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        Biden has not committed any crimes. Don’t conflate what Bibi is doing with what Joe is doing. They are not the same person.

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        Yeah almost like “genocide Joe” is an inane nickname mischaracterizing the situation or something.

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            Let’s reframe this a little bit.

            Would you agree to the nuance that a 1940s US nazi sympathizer, perhaps even one that sent them funds, isn’t as bad as the nazi soldiers or their commanders themselves? Or is that also equivalent in your eyes?

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              Imo it’s as bad, however, it’s like trump et al are going to be super nazis in all this. So if I COULD vote for Biden he is the absolute no brainer, because trump will be a million times worse.

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        What would the reaction have been had he denied aid to Israel? The answer is fuck off, you made your bed.

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          His crucial role in support and push for the Iraq War which resulted in the estimated death of 1 million Iraqis and many american troops? Biden has been a war criminal and corrupt way before the palestine issue. You made your bed when you decided to give loyalty to these corrupt criminals. You’re the reason why we have shot candidates and why we have corrupt people in power. Gtfo

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            give loyalty

            See, this is where we differ. I am not loyal to Biden. I would support someone else in a heartbeat, have supported others instead of him.

            I am not loyal to him, nor the Democratic party. I am, however, strongly against Trump and practically everything he does and stands for. To that end, I have to do what I can to see that he not be in a position of power again. To that end, I will vote against him, even if that means a. Vote for Biden.

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            LOL - “crucial role”.

            https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/bidens-record-on-iraq-war/

            “Biden was a consistent critic of the way the Bush administration handled the war: Its failure to exhaust diplomatic solutions, its failure to enlist a more robust group of allies for the war effort, and the lack of a plan for reconstruction of Iraq. Some of his comments proved to be quite prescient, including his warnings about the likely higher-than-expected cost and length of the war, and the complexity of “winning the peace” once Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein’s regime was toppled.”

            “I will vote for this because we should be compelling Iraq to make good on its obligations to the United Nations,” Biden said. “Because while Iraq’s illegal weapons of mass destruction program do not — do not — pose an imminent threat to our national security, in my view, they will, if left unfettered. And because a strong vote in Congress, as I said, increases the prospect for a tough, new U.N. resolution on weapons of mass destruction, it is likely to get weapons inspectors in, which, in turn, decreases the prospects of war, in my view."

            You really need to stop blaming Biden for the actions of other people.

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            I don’t like that or anything else like it, including Israel, but I know the facts and the realpolitik and it was: rock -> Biden <- hard place. Israel was a big mistake by the USA and UK and as such they’re both attached by a un-severable umbilical. Nobody else would’ve acted any differently.

            My loyalty lies nowhere near Biden’s government - I’m not even from the US, I’m British - I’m just realistic about the breaks. Carry on with the principled stand and see what kind of sainthood it grants you. If you’re voting against Biden rather than opposed to Trump then you really will have a shit sandwich; your bed won’t be made at all, you’ll be sleeping rough.

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              Trump is corrupt but so is supporting a God damn genocide. Trump did say to finish up but he also added “you need to get peace” so thats out of context

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        You can disapprove of the actions but supporting an allied nation with money or weapon sales is squarely a presidential act, nobody thinks presidents should personally be held criminally liable for their presidential duties.

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        That might be a crime against humanity, but it isn’t a crime in the US criminal code.

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        You know Trump is the one who moved the embassy to Jerusalem which is ultimately the match that lit the keg.

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          Right? These Russian or right-wing grifters would be fawning over support for Israel and Bibi’s genocide if it was tRump in there right now. Fuck, the dude would probably have sent US troops to aid in ground offensives alongside the IDF.

          It’s tiresome, and I just want this collective nightmare for most, and wet dreams for others, to be over. The constant goal-post dodgeball game is beyond overplayed at this point. Anyone who still conflates what Biden is doing with regards to Israel and what tRump would do in the same position, are beyond help at this point, IMO. tRump supporters have, for nearly a decade now, refused to accept reality as it exists, and instead are perfectly content with tRump so long as he is hurting the right people. They simply cannot distance their ideology from their politics so they double-down.

          This is why MAGA constantly thinks all those voting for Biden and the Democratic party are doing so because they are loyal to Biden and the party. Most of us voting for Biden are not loyal at all to the Democrats or Biden. We vote for whomever will move the needle toward the kind of world we want to live in. tRump absolutely will do the up opposite, we already know that from the first circus of an administration.

          Whatever keeps that traitor out of positions of power is a good thing for this country, it’s people, and the world. tRump is a weak-man’s version of a strong-man. He deserves no less than jail time.

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    Sure thing, just like he locked Clinton up. Why does anyone believe the stupid shit this idiot says?

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      It’s different now though. He didn’t have the power to lock her up. This time around, he’ll have Project 2025 behind him to allow him to do things like that.

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          He still doesn’t have an actual legal case against the Bindens either, despite a LOT of Russian support trying to falsify something.

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            He won’t need any. Can just “trump” up some charges (pun not intended). He’ll be a dictator, it won’t matter. He could shoot them on 5th Ave. and no one would say a thing

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              Stop with the nonsense that Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump has already completely enshitified the country. It wouldn’t work because (1) the judge would throw out the case, and (2) no grand jury would vote to proceed. That is why Bill Barr refused Treason Trump’s order to prosecute Hillary Clinton.

              Trump has already tried this and failed.

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          Yeah, I kind of always assumed that there were some skeletons in Hillary’s closet, but if Trump’s AGs didn’t even find anything that warranted an investigation…

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        He’s the exact same impotent blowhard. Not even his cronies will change that. He’ll lose interest the minute he’s elected, just like with Clinton.

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            I know about the boogeyman. Not even Americans are going to sit down and watch this happen.

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              I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard “Americans won’t let that happen” and then it happens.

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                These idiots are not going to magically be in the majority over night. How many tough guys write manifestos like that every day? Sorry I’m not scared by some big words by Charlie Kirk.

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              We have let every step leading up to our current stage happen without meaningful challenge. Why would this momentum stop now?

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                  Project 2025 is a plan already set in motion. It started when i was a child, and there really has been no real blow against its success.The setback of trump losing the election has not stopped the momentum. You can tell because the loss of rights is happening under the democrats watch. If you response is “well they really could not have stopped it” then the plan is working as intended

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          He’ll lose interest the minute he’s elected, just like with Clinton.

          That’s not what happened. He directly ordered Bill Barr to prosecute Clinton and Bill Barr refused knowing there was no grounds. Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump doesn’t have the power to do this. He literally tried already tried and failed.

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      The guy literally tried to overturn an election he lost. It wouldn’t surprise me if it’s just bluster, but at the same time it also wouldn’t surprise me that he is trying to become a tyrant.

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        Absolutely. As long as he keeps throwing these batshit fascist ideas out there, eventually one or more will gain traction and actually happen.

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        Being a tyrant takes energy he just doesn’t have. He’s a tired old man desperately trying to get elected to get out of his legal troubles.

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      There were still sane people in his administration to keep him in lineish, if he gets in again they will all be loyal to Trump, not the USA

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      If his base was capable of critical thinking they wouldn’t be his base. This is exactly the kind of shit they line up for at rallies to hear.

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    Prosecute the Bidens on what grounds? The GOP have been investigating them for a few years now and have admitted they can’t find anything, other than Hunter’s tax evasion or whatever it was.

    He’s full of shit and just says whatever the fuck no matter how stupid it is because he loves the uneducated and his followers are certainly that. They believe anything from anyone with an R in front of their name.

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      I don’t think he understands or really believes that there are impartial laws. He thinks when he’s being prosecuted it’s just personal bullshit targeted at him, so he can do the same to anyone.

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        Because he’s always weaponized the courts to slap people opposed to him and doesn’t understand 90% of his business empire is based on illicit activities. The first dollar he ever made wasn’t even obtained legally because his father put one month old donny down as a landlord so he’d get income at a lower tax rate. 70+ years later he’s still shitting in diapers and having people smarter than him find loopholes and schemes to hide how he puts more money in his pocket.

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      Just like Hilary it’s all hot air to rile up his base. Thry bad, I can prove. Except I can’t prove it cause there isn’t any evidence and my supposed witness has no credibility or ever been in the same room.

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        Hilary did do a crime kinda. Based on the advice of a Repub telling her to have a private instead of government mail server. Then she complied with investigations and ultimately the government declined to prosecute because it was such a nothing issue.

        In stark fucking contrast is Donald literally stealing classified documents, storing them in a run-down hotel next to a copy machine that anyone can access, refusing to comply with instructions to return them, lying about everything…

        Sorry, not disagreeing at all. It is hot air to rile up the base. And it does rile up the base because they are doublethink clowns.

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    Not he says Biden has “committed many crimes” but won’t say what those crimes are.

    That will give you an idea of what he’s going to come up with to charge Biden with. And he’ll make it stick too.

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      That’s a common way of thinking in people with little to no ethics. They think everyone else is the same, and thus if you dig you’re surely going to find something.

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        That’s a problem with the Republican Party as a whole and why they’re constantly projecting. “We would have done that, so of course they did.”

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      If Isreal is found guilty of genocide and they will, Bidens roll would be considered aiding in said genocide and would be guilty under international law.

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        Found guilty of genocide by whom? The ICC? The U.S. is not a signatory.

        And if you think Trump, of all people, would try Biden for being complicit in genocide, you need to pick different mushrooms.

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          Oh I’m sure he would try Biden, and then be confused when he’s tried for the same thing. He needs a handler to not shove his own foot in his mouth

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    It’s crazy that this is even a political talking point. I support Biden in this election but I very much want him prosecuted if they have clear evidence of a serious crime he committed.

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    I love how Trump doesn’t even understand that it isn’t Biden attacking him, it’s the justice department doing its job of getting criminals convicted. Barking up the wrong tree, dipshit.

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    So… Trump wants immunity in order NOT to go to Jail, but if he doesn’t and goes to jail, how will he prosecute Biden? Also, if he gets immunity and somehow becomes president, how is he going to prosecute Biden if Biden also has immunity?

    The mental gymnastics he sells his followers would almost qualify as an Olympic event.

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    Funny to imagine how this story gets recorded and retold in history books. What a fool who was elected by fools. An honest low point for America.

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      Unfortunately, you don’t really need to address all Americans. It really comes down to the entirely rational people of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina and Pennsylvania

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        North Carolina here, I’m praying for our state to go Blue again, we used to be purple leaning blue, then after Obama we leaned more and more red… and the older folks around here made it no secret that it was indeed about his skintone

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      They will if we have anything to do with it.

      Sincerely (Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, Trump Owners et al)

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    He will just keep shouting as long as people are listening to him.

    Luckily those people are becoming fewer and fewer

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    Everyone knows these guys are just going to lie their way into the presidency right? As in just get fox news to declare early, then stand over election officials to call it their way.

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      It really is a concerning situation that is going to turn November+ into a nightmare. Hopefully, we see an article about tRump being found dead as a headline if the SCOTUS slobs up the asinine defense of total immunity. That’s the only way I think this can resolve without a constitutional disaster. He’s basically daring someone to do something and I, for one, hope the “find out” part comes for him.

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        Surely the best way to resolve without a constitutional disaster is simply for him to convincingly lose the election come November ?

        If he died now he would be a martyr obviously.

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          He lost one election already, then he threw a hissy fit and tried to stage a coup. The second time it will be even worse.

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            … but the second time around he won’t have control of the military et cetera. If he loses convincingly there’s no point in staging a coup.

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          If he died now he would be a martyr obviously.

          Hundreds of historians have said that Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump is the worst president in history. There is no scenario where that changes.

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            That’s not how martyrdom works.

            It doesn’t matter how bad he is. If he dies then his spectre will remain eternal.

            He needs to lose the election. A public acknowledgement that the people have rejected him.