• Brkdncr@lemmy.worldEnglish
    16435·
    6 months ago

    At this point, I have lost count of the number of times that I’ve left my perfectly working Windows computer at the end of my work day, only to return to a completely broken computer that won’t boot the next morning.

    I find this to either be a lie or self inflicted. I manage a small fleet of a few hundred windows systems and all updates have been fine for years.

    In the windows admin user groups there are more than a few that are deploying updates within 24hrs of release to thousands of servers and workstations and have not reported issues.

    Lastly I think that tech bloggers say things like this to get clicks, so they can get ad revenue. Then they also tell you how to disable updates so they can get more clicks and ad revenue.

    It’s disingenuous and probably harmful to be telling people to disable updates that lead them to be exposed to vulnerabilities.

    • twinnie@feddit.ukEnglish
      902·
      6 months ago

      I hate Windows for all the monetisation and privacy issues but I never really had problems with it killing my computer.

      • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
        33·
        6 months ago

        I had a Windows 10 update fuck up my laptop for about 15 hours until it somehow magically unfucked itself and started working again once.

        But thats about it

      • xavier666@lemm.eeEnglish
        11·
        6 months ago

        The primary issues that I faced with Windows (Win10 nearly a decade ago) are

        • very slow updates
        • constant 100% disk usage after boot
        • high background process usage
        • [Rare] messing with my dual partition setup
        • The final error which caused me to format my PC -> After logging in, the desktop froze, no icons showing up, no task manager.

        If I had never used Linux, these wouldn’t even seem like problem; just normal Windows shenanigans. But after using Linux, I can never go back. I don’t know how much worse/better Win11 is now but can’t be bothered to try.

        • Freefall@lemmy.worldEnglish
          81·
          6 months ago

          I LOVE Linux and I am still to lazy to use it on my gaming PC… normal folks don’t want anything to do with it. Effort is an allergen.

            • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
              86·
              6 months ago

              Hard to figure out. Have to settle for similar but different apps. Video drivers not built in. Inconsistant bluetooth. Update all breaks everything. Hard to get support for your individual set-up when Linux is so fractured.

              Just to name a few.

              • blind3rdeye@lemm.eeEnglish
                113·
                6 months ago

                Man. That’s some weak-sauce arguments against linux. In my experience, just a default Mint install with no stuffing around of any kind came with fully-functional video drivers and bluetooth. No update has ever broken anything; and the first thing that launches after a fresh install is a menu with bunch of different ways to get personal support for Mint.

                • nexussapphire@lemm.eeEnglish
                  5·
                  6 months ago

                  I don’t like Ubuntu that much but one thing they really do right is a tool that made installing the few drivers not built into the kernel stupid easy. That’s the number one thing I see people mess up with Nvidia drivers. You always install Nvidia drivers through your distro app store/package manager never the website.

                  I understand the mistake but it’s painful to see someone manually install Nvidia drivers from their website just for it to shit the bed in a kernel update.

                  I’m sure the update manager was probably very important back in the day but I am glad updates come through the software manager now. Even though I don’t use it it’s very intuitive.

                • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  21·
                  6 months ago

                  When I installed Mint my entire video screen was tinted blue. Bluetooth sometimes worked, sometimes didn’t. People yelled at me for having a Dell PC in support forums, and when I followed the advice of someone trying to help, he suggested to update all, and when I did the fans stopped working.

              • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                6·
                6 months ago

                Huh. I find windows way harder to figure out. I guess it depends on DE, but Windows is kinda just layers of cruft, with old confusing menus mixed with newer ones, installing apps in particular is a confusing mess.

                Updates breaking things I guess depends on distro. If you go with something like Arch you’re gonna have a bad time, but that’s on you for installing Arch. If you installed Debian or something, stuff will break faaaar less often than with Windows.

                Video drivers not being built in is an odd one, because… they aren’t in Windows, but are in Linux, assuming you use AMD or Intel. With Nvidia it’s usually a case of typing in “Nvidia” in your software centre, clicking install, then being done.

                Support can be hard or easy, that’s very true. Although most stuff I see in terms of windows support is “have you tried a system restore? Oh it didn’t work? Ok reinstall Windows then”, which isn’t very helpful at all.

              • jinarched@lemm.eeEnglish
                3·
                6 months ago

                Hard to figure out.

                It’s much easier nowadays. I find Windows much more hard to figure out now that I’ve made the switch. At the very least, everything in Linux takes very few steps to perform tasks and install programs compared to Windows.

                Have to settle for similar but different apps.

                The sooner you do it, the faster you’ll be free. Once you do, you can be confident that said program won’t undergo enshitification since it’s open source. That said some apps can’t be replaced like Photoshop if it’s for work. I like Gimp, but I understand it’s not for everyone.

                Video drivers not built in.

                It pretty much is now if you install an Nvidia specific distro. AMD is preferable of course.

                Inconsistant bluetooth.

                Totally fair.

                Update all breaks everything.

                Use a rolling release distro like Debian or Fedora and you should be fine.

                Linux is not perfect, but it’s better than Windows. Nobody will force you to use your computer in a way you don’t want to. It’s so awesome and it’s free. There is no way I’ll ever go back to Windows. Linux is the ideal OS for so many people (especially those who go the extra mile to modify Windows heavily) they just don’t know it yet.

              • SeekPie@lemm.eeEnglish
                42·
                6 months ago

                Hard to figure out

                Which part? The one where to install an app, instead of downloading a .exe you search for the app in the package manager?

                Have to settle for similar but different apps.

                That’s not exclusive to Linux though. Like for example moving to MacOS you wouldn’t really expect for all the apps to work either?

                Video drivers not built in.

                Video drivers aren’t built into Windows either? And on Linux, AMD’s drivers are (as I understand it), and for Nvidia, you’ll probably have Noveau installed.

                Inconsistent bluetooth.

                How? I’ve found BT to just work on Linux, while on Windows I had to track down the specific drivers.

                Update all breaks everything.

                Unless you installed Arch (or any rolling release distro) as your first distro, this probably won’t be an issue.

                Hard to get support for your individual set-up when Linux is so fractured.

                Then maybe install Mint, Ubuntu, Pop!_OS or anything more widespread that does have the support you want?

                • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  64·
                  6 months ago

                  Ah, I see. So because YOU understand something, and know what you’re doing, and haven’t had anything fail on YOU, then it must be everybody ELSES fault, right? Meanwhile Linux has less than 5% of PC userbase, and that INCLUDES Chromebooks.

                  I don’t think it’s even fairly controversial to say that Windows over the last couple of versions have turned into an unmitigated privacy dumpster fire, and only looking to get worse, and MacOS is and always has been a walled garden which offers very little in the way of customization or individuality.

                  Yet despite all that, Linux only has about 4% marketshare, because nobody is able to use it. But hey, must be 95% of societys fault, and not the direct result of a confusing to use interface, right? And if YOUR bluetooth works fine, and doesn’t refuse to connect at random until you restart, that must be something I’m making up and doesn’t exist, right?

      • Jay@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        6 months ago

        My biggest issue with Windows (at least on my desktop) is with my GPU driver for my Intel Arc A770 LE. Windows Update will not stop automatically “updating” my driver to a driver that was made about a year and a half ago. It’s too old that Intel Arc Control doesn’t even work with it. It doesn’t matter how I install the latest driver from Intel, I can DDU the old one, install the driver and wipe all custom configurations or just install it normally. Nothing works, upon the next reboot, it automatically says “there’s an update” and installs regardless if I want it or not. The driver installation also has a 50/50 chance of blue screening my whole system when installing, both the installation from Windows update, and from Intel. The Window driver “updates” for my driver have also just happened randomly with no notice, they’ve occurred during hour long Blender renders, crashing it and wasting hours of my time redoing work. (This is all on Windows 10). It is frustrating to deal with

        Meanwhile, my Linux install on the same computer just runs mesa and I’ve had no issues at all with my GPU. (Or any issues with drivers really, it all just works).

        Although it didn’t “kill” my computer. Whenever I still used Windows, it would spontaneously install this outdated driver which would either blue screen or crash whatever I was in the middle of doing such as working in Blender, playing a game, etc.

    • bizarroland@fedia.io
      4721·
      6 months ago

      It’s kind of disingenuous of you to proudly say, “I don’t use the same version of Windows that this person likely does and I don’t have the same issues that this person does so they must be full of shit”.

      • Zorque@lemmy.worldEnglish
        111·
        6 months ago

        It’s kind of a wide disparity for something that’s so locked down, though. It’s not as though one person is saying they get occasional issues and the other is they often have issues… it’s one person basically saying their own personal computer is nigh unusable and the other providing an example of a large number of examples of that being extremely unlikely…

        It’s far more likely this individual is fucking up their computer on a regular basis, or has a very high bar of usability that is broken any time there is even the slightest hiccup or inconvenience.

      • Brkdncr@lemmy.worldEnglish
        167·
        6 months ago

        There aren’t many versions of windows since 10 and 2016. They are all very similar now.

        • bizarroland@fedia.io
          94·
          6 months ago

          There are vast differences between Windows home and Windows pro and Windows Enterprise editions as far as how easy it is to control and block off the annoyance ware that Microsoft builds into it.

          If you use deployment software to roll out your images after standardizing them and have a set image that you can deploy to a thousand computers as easily as one then it’s very simple to sign in with a local domain account and disable the windows things through a group policy and just start rocking and rolling whereas your average Windows home user is not going to even have access to GPO and we’ll have to tediously for each and every single computer every single time they reset it redo all of the things to disable all of Microsoft’s crap activation.

          They are not entirely different but definitely distinct versions of Windows and dismissing the home and non-enterprise users that their experience is inferior to your experience on the Enterprise side is what I’m saying is disingenuous

          • Brkdncr@lemmy.worldEnglish
            41·
            6 months ago

            I’ve found the more you mess with defaults the more likely you’ll encounter problems.

            The article author was talking about their work PC anyways.

            Gpo/Intune just allows you make mistakes at scale.

            The author was talking about their work computer suddenly not booting up the next day. The windows version differences wouldn’t cause this.

    • just_another_person@lemmy.worldEnglish
      295·
      6 months ago

      That’s the difference between the Home and Pro versions though. The things that generally break on the Home versions are all the things not generally enabled on a domain controlled Pro version. Thisbis more about Microsoft just being bad at small updates versus these giant roundup packages they like to ship.

    • atrielienz@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      6 months ago

      The interesting thing for me is that I own two different surface pro 7 tablets. I have one for work and one for home (now that work doesn’t require me to bring my own device anymore). The work surface has windows 10 pro on it. My home one doesn’t, The difference is very interesting. The IT team have disabled a lot of stuff on my work surface that I don’t even have access to on my home unit. I don’t often have bugs from updates breaking things at work. I do at home though which is enough for me to perhaps upgrade the windows key on my home unit someday. If I don’t install linux first which is a possibility.

    • mox@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      3214·
      6 months ago

      I find this to either be a lie or self inflicted.

      “I’ve never experienced what you describe, so it must be either imagined or your own fault.”

      I’ve seen this nonsense over and over again in communities of all kinds, most often in tech forums (where there are always a few participants suffering from a big-fish-little-pond effect). It’s a very rude and foolish bit of human behavior.

      There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

      • kava@lemmy.worldEnglish
        61·
        6 months ago

        I think the guy you’re replying to is probably right, just because you can tell from the article the author is not really an expert or advanced user.

        But I upvoted you because honestly we do not get enough random Shakespeare on online comments lol

    • uranibaba@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      6 months ago

      It’s disingenuous and probably harmful to be telling people to disable updates that lead them to be exposed to vulnerabilities.

      That is probably why Microsoft forced updates on people in W10.

    • Virkkunen@fedia.io
      121·
      6 months ago

      My two cents, I could say the same as the author. My Windows work laptop most of the times cannot wake up from sleep (you know, opening the lid after it’s closed) so I have to force a restart. There’s a 50% or less chance that Bluetooth and WiFi won’t work at all (they won’t be displayed on Windows, like it’s not even a feature) after I turn the laptop on, so most of my pre-work morning is restarting the laptop until it’s working as intended. It’s the third laptop I got from them, they’re different models but they’re all HP, and they all had problems. The Macs and the same HP laptops running Linux have none of these issues.

    • ashok36@lemmy.worldEnglish
      51·
      6 months ago

      I can kind of feel the author on this. I’m in charge of a lot of “special projects” at work that basically come down to, “figure out a way to replicate this extremely expensive technology or software using low cost or free alternatives”. It ends up being an unholy mix of programs and hardware that is held together with duct tape and super glue and any minor perturbation means something breaks.

      • Zorque@lemmy.worldEnglish
        64·
        6 months ago

        Sounds like less of a Windows problem than an individual problem, though.

        Blaming Windows cause your Frankenstein machine breaks often is disingenuous.

    • ElectricMachman@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      41·
      6 months ago

      There have been two distinct Windows updates in recent memory that have broken things.

      1. The one that stopped network printers from working, and you had to change a specific GPO setting which was not available in Intune at the time, meaning I had to do it manually on each computer.

      2. The one that removed all shortcuts to Office 365 apps from the desktop and start menu, necessitating a repair… manually on each affected machine.

      So it does happen on occasion. It’s not as bad as in the XP days, but it still can be a little sketchy at times

    • CosmoNova@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      6 months ago

      I‘ve had several faulty Windows updates in recent years and my machine is pre-built. And going by the threads I sifted through in search of solutions I am far from the only one. It‘s perfectly fine to not have the newest update at all times so as long as you update once a month when you can afford a potential faulty update. Having an older than most recent version is far from your biggest concern regarding security. I would even say it‘s a non-issue compared to good old fishing mails.

    • Ace! _SL/S@ani.socialEnglish
      31·
      6 months ago

      Doesn’t even need updates, in the 10 years I was on Windows it didn’t want to start after shutting it down again like 7 times

      I hated having to reinstall every year

    • omgarm@feddit.nlEnglish
      21·
      6 months ago

      I’ve been using windows 11 since general release and have had zero issues. Not with ads, not with updates, not with one drive. Well, unless you count clicking away pop-ups to use new features from time to time. Not once has a file been saved to onedrive.

    • morrowind@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1428·
      6 months ago

      Seriously, anytime people make complaints like these about windows, it just tells me they are either

      1. Tweaking their system in ways far beyond what the OS is designed for (which is fine, but then don’t blame Microsoft when updates break your system)
      2. Doesn’t know how to use a computer
      3. Knows how to use a computer but is willfully ignorant so they can rant at MS and get clicks
      4. Incredibly unlucky and not representative of the general population
      • sunzu@kbin.run
        233·
        6 months ago

        Tweaking their system in ways far beyond what the OS is designed for

        That’s the issue: the way microshit is taking windows is not acceptable for an increasing number of people.

        Why would I allow Satya the creep to control my PC that I paid money for.

        Also, why are they putting ads into it.

        Updates rolling back privacy settings, although this stopped now.

        Forced online accounts.

        At what point is it too much for you? I bet over next few years microshit will get to you too lol

        • micka190@lemmy.worldEnglish
          65·
          6 months ago

          While I agree with most of what you’re saying, it’s also stupid to blame Microsoft for breaking your computer if you forcefully uninstall the Windows store, despite the fact that it’s needed for parts of certain updates.

          A lot of the “debloaters” have no fucking idea what they’re actually doing and are uninstalling/disabling critical parts of the OS so the task manager shows less RAM usage (because God forbid you actually use your damn RAM).

          • sunzu@kbin.run
            5·
            6 months ago

            Yeah they just need to accept their fate and join Linux.

            At some point, fucking with Windows is more time and you have to be always doing it.

            Linux you have set it up but after that it just works

      • schizo@forum.uncomfortable.businessEnglish
        184·
        6 months ago

        #1 is by and far the cause I see when people ask me ‘why did thing break?!’

        There’s a lot of ‘Well, I edited the registry and then deleted these two files and installed this 3rd party software so that it looks like it did in Windows XP!’ floating in my circles, which almost entirely correlates to the people who are mad that their install is, yet again, broken/not working as expected/having weird problems.

        Of course, people are doing this because Microsoft can’t stop shitting up Windows in a way that annoys people, and thus leading them to do things that maybe aren’t the best idea.

        So, in summary: it’s a land of contrasts, but stop adding bullshit nobody wants Microsoft.

          • Hackworth@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            6 months ago

            The year 2000 was peak human technology. It’s been downhill in every way since, until generative AI - which is f’in amazing. But let’s be real, the future belongs to the bots.

            • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
              21·
              6 months ago

              Can confirm. N64 existed before year 2000…but not WWF No Mercy, which came out in 2001. Lets call it 2002 was peak. Pretty sure GTA Vice City was out by then.

              • Hackworth@lemmy.worldEnglish
                4·
                6 months ago

                Honestly, I’d get on-board with just about anytime 2000 to 2010. The enshittification of the internet and social-media-driven comment culture didn’t start in earnest until smart phones took off.

          • barsquid@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            6 months ago

            That is what people want out of Windows, it dove off a cliff from there. I’d still be using Linux, but it’d be a harder choice if the alternative was XP instead of Data Harvesting Simulator 11 begging me to subscribe to me own hardware.

      • treadful@lemmy.zipEnglish
        5·
        6 months ago

        The thing that usually kills windows is shitty drivers. So people with different hardware can have completely different experiences.

  • Lung@lemmy.worldEnglish
    866·
    6 months ago

    I just got a new laptop and was genuinely gonna try windows 11 and wsl for my coding needs. But in first boot, it demands internet to do updates. Ok, I connect to coffee shop wifi. Nope, won’t do it because it can’t handle the click through screen to accept wifi ToS. Fine. I take it home, where my Internet is great but has a glitch where it drops out for a few seconds now and then. Turns out that windows will literally cancel updating and demand I reconnect and restart for the kind of drop that I barely notice day to day. So I gave up, plugged in my ArchLinux thumb drive, and mkfs.ext4 before rsyncing my entire old computer to it

    • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
      181·
      6 months ago

      It’s not a failure to consider the alternatives that slows adoption, it is the very real material problems with those alternatives.

      It’s not fair that a multinational corporation gets to wield virtually limitless power to starve the alternatives of oxygen and create as much friction as possible in the process of switching, but it is a very real problem, and blaming the users won’t solve anything.

        • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
          31·
          6 months ago

          The comment I replied to didn’t source their claim that it’s the users’ fault, but I notice you didn’t ask them to source their claims.

          Perhaps you could explain why your skepticism is so selective before I answer your question.

          And perhaps you could be more specific about what claim you want “sourced”. That the switch to linux has a lot of friction? That it’s difficult? That Microsoft has deliberately cultivated that friction? That users aren’t simply failing to consider it? That blaming the users isn’t the solution?

          What exactly do you want me to source?

          • ruse8145@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
            11·
            6 months ago

            I didn’t notice or care about their comment, it was meaningless bs. Yours is something for which it’s feasible to provide evidence, it’s a novel claim, and I saw nothing to back it up other than hostility.

            That the switch to linux has a lot of friction? That it’s difficult?

            Everyone mostly agrees on this, not interesting. Also you didn’t even directly claim this in your post, so obviously I wasn’t asking about this. You’re just seemingly using this hostile badgering approach to stifle the conversation.

            That Microsoft has deliberately cultivated that friction?

            This is the interesting claim. After all Linux deliberately shoots its legs off every few years, why does Microsoft need to help?

            • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
              2·
              6 months ago

              Honestly your original question was so vague and terse I almost didn’t reply, it just seemed so pointless. If you don’t want hostility, don’t come with an attitude like that. Do the work to make yourself understood the first time. And don’t just demand citations - you’re not my professor. Just ask questions like a normal fucking person. Ask for information.

              Given you’re asking for evidence of Microsoft’s sabotaging of open source projects including Linux, I’m going to have to assume you’re coming from a place of actual curiosity and not bad faith. It’s actually one of the most famous examples of anticompetitive behaviour in history. Start there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

    • midimalist@lemdro.idEnglish
      14·
      6 months ago

      Yes, because I need Adobe to do my meh wage part-time job in developing country from my one and only working laptop and I don’t have the luxury of surplus money, time, and mental energy to do anything about it.

      But I get your point. If I have the means, I will fix my broken Thinkpad and definitely install Linux there the first chance I get. Either that or Adobe finally release Linux version, which will probably be released after Half-Life 3.

      I can’t wait to try Endeavor (so I can finally be an obnoxious person who say “I used Arch-based distro, btw”)

      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
        111·
        6 months ago

        Either that or Adobe finally release Linux version, which will probably be released after Half-Life 3.

        Yeah, I’ve seen what Adobe’s support looks like. I remember the Linux version of Flash Player. The guy in charge of it whined on the official Adobe blog on the subject that he had to support “minority browsers” which at the time was everything but Internet Explorer on Windows.

        • sem@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          2·
          6 months ago

          Adobe products barely work correctly on Windows, I wouldn’t want to try to run them in an environment that was even less supported

          • areyouevenreal@lemm.eeEnglish
            1·
            6 months ago

            Honestly that would make me want to run them in wine more. Wine environments can be controlled a lot easier than a Windows install can be.

              • areyouevenreal@lemm.eeEnglish
                2·
                6 months ago

                What I am saying is that if Illustrator breaks on Windows, you might have to reinstall Windows. If it breaks on Linux, you just reinstall in a new wine prefix, or restore from a backup or snapshot. The rest of the system remains unaffected. Does that make sense?

                • sem@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                  2·
                  6 months ago

                  Not really. If illustrator breaks on Windows at the most I’ll have to power cycle the PC. I’ve never heard of it taking Windows down with it.

                  To even get it functional on wine I’d have to invest untold hours of research and tomfoolery, and then any time it didn’t work I’d not know if it was adobe’s fault or wine’s.

                  I wouldn’t mind doing this kind of thing for a hobby, but not for production software unfortunately.

    • KomfortablesKissenEnglish
      10·
      6 months ago

      Most people believe they will start seeing problems where there were none before. They need to invest time into research about their use-cases, which is a cost even before switching.

      The typical user used Windows since before they became scared of change, so that’s what they’ll stick with.

      The pain of using Windows still can and will be higher without the majority of people switching to anything.

        • KomfortablesKissenEnglish
          4·
          6 months ago

          I don’t want to point fingers/cast shade or anything. Hell, I myself resist change where I can.

          It costs incredible amounts of energy and time to change, and that change might even be counter productive to some or most of the things you do.

          Gratulations on starting Linux, I hope it does everything you need it to do. Even if you should end up using it only for a short amount of time, I hope the experience enriches you.

    • jsonjson@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      123·
      6 months ago

      I used to help maintain a Linux distro, and there is a level of polish Windows has that I feel cannot be reached by the FOSS ecosystem due the resources dumped into hiring dedicated teams at MS. Microsoft has tons of money. I’m sad about the direction of windows, but it generally works pretty well for how it’s designed (which is in some cases awful).

      • c0ber@lemmy.mlEnglish
        8·
        6 months ago

        there was a time where that may have been the case, but microsoft has been chipping away at any polish they had for years. sure there’s still some rough edges in linux, but it’s only getting better where windows continues to get worse

          • cheesepotatoes@lemmy.worldEnglish
            9·
            6 months ago

            Sure. I could accept hearing “Windows is more polished than most Linux distro’s”. But to say blankly that Windows is polished is crazy talk. It’s jank as balls. Its got like 3 totally discrete and independent UI frameworks for the menus operating in parallel, and somehow none of them provide all the functionality you would need, have to mix and match them.

            That’s just a single example. I could rant for hours.

      • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        6 months ago

        I’m sad about the direction of windows, but it generally works pretty well for how it’s designed

        That is a bold claim. And absolutely wrong for many configurations.

      • ruse8145@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        11·
        6 months ago

        A good amount of Linux distros don’t seem to want to get the basics down. Constant churn vs stable but way out of date is more how is describe the choice, while windows at it’s core is actually a pretty stable platform. I don’t have to, for example, get annoyed at Firefox middle mouse scroll not working because I forgot this distro still defaults to x11 even though it installs Wayland too blah blah blah.

    • tootoughtoremember@lemmy.worldEnglish
      15·
      6 months ago

      The author hopes for a future version of Windows that offers more user control and less interference from Microsoft’s software-as-a-service products.

      Currently there is zero incentive for Microsoft to do this, and only upside potential to keep doing what they’re doing.

      You’d need thousands of companies to abandon their dependency on Windows, Office, and the entire Microsoft ecosystem for them to change course now.

  • TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.worldEnglish
    59·
    6 months ago

    Microsoft is constantly experimenting with how far they can push users into a corner and get away with it. There might be a day when Microsoft caves and releases a Windows that is more like what we wanted, but I imagine it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets any better. We have not yet seen the worst MS has to offer force upon us.

    • Admiral Patrick@dubvee.orgEnglish
      11·
      6 months ago

      There might be a day when Microsoft caves and releases a Windows that is more like what we wanted, but I imagine it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets any better.

      I thought that was going to be with Windows 10’s forced updates and telemetry, but people just stopped caring. I’m pretty much assuming that’ll be the same for the current batch of nonsense. I can’t imagine how bad it would have to get for the general public to say “enough is enough”.

      • sunzu@kbin.run
        134·
        6 months ago

        Every bullshit move just creates more Linux users.

        Best marketing Linux ever got lol

          • sunzu@kbin.run
            21·
            6 months ago

            Work in progress, it will get there one day.

            But it is good enough for most PC gamers which is attracting a lot of development that makes Linux more friendly.

            • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
              11·
              6 months ago

              OOOOOHHHH!!! Is this able to be run on Raspberry pi 4??? 4GB model? I would LOVE to try this out for a weekend on one of my spare memory cards.

              • Refurbished Refurbisher@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
                2·
                6 months ago

                Not sure what you’re asking. Linux is able to run on a Pi 4 just fine. If you want to play games, you’ll need to emulate x86 using either Box64 or FEX, but there will be performance issues.

          • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            21·
            6 months ago

            Pop_OS! and Mint feel very similar to this with their application centers. I feel as though this need could be considered met.

            Though I run arch and if you dont like the CLI you’re gonna hate it. It just depends on the distro you choose.

    • OutlierBlue@lemmy.caEnglish
      9·
      6 months ago

      Just look at how bad the car industry is now. Your car spies on EVERYTHING.

      Windows can still get a lot worse before we begin to see an improvement.

  • Prison Mike@links.hackliberty.orgEnglish
    5812·
    6 months ago

    It’s so weird to me that Lemmy is full of anti-Windows, anti-Google posts but the comments are always “I’m thinking about switching.”

    How about… just do it?

    I don’t know what I’m trying to say but being 20 years into “Windows-free” a few years of “Google-free” it’s tiring. I know everyone isn’t me but it’s tough watching this from the other side.

    • Wugger@lemmy.worldEnglish
      421·
      6 months ago

      You know it’s not the same person posting every time

      Some people have moved passed thinking about it. Others have just started. Its a growing sentiment and more people are starting to feel it.

    • scutiger@lemmy.worldEnglish
      23·
      6 months ago

      It’s not easy committing to the change when you have no knowledge of the platform. The status quo is always easier until it no longer is.

      Having seen how different Linux is from what it was 20 years ago, it’s way more approachable than it used to be. Most people could adjust pretty quickly, but with so much of the technical bits hidden from sight, the average PC user these days isn’t as tech savvy as they were many years ago, and making the switch can be intimidating.

      • Prison Mike@links.hackliberty.orgEnglish
        2·
        6 months ago

        Good point — I’m pretty far down the rabbit hole. I haven’t really wanted to mess with a non-UNIX/Linux based OS in ages.

        Side note: what OS would that be besides DOS or Windows? Old-school Mac OS comes to mind (System 7) but I like playing with modern platforms more than older ones.

    • RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      7·
      6 months ago

      I can relate to the anxiety that comes with the thought of switching and finding out you’re missing something essential.

      It wasn’t a big deal for me since I’ve used FOSS alternatives for almost everything even on Windows and was hardly gaming anymore when I made the switch (but somewhat ironically I started again on Linux). But that’s hardly the position most unhappy Windows users are in.

      • Prison Mike@links.hackliberty.orgEnglish
        2·
        6 months ago

        That’s a good point too.

        I’m primarily a web developer so essentially my entire toolkit is already FOSS and it doesn’t make sense to even run half of it on Windows. Windows is usually the odd one out with weird hacks to make it play nice.

        I use macOS a lot too and because it’s UNIX my Linux toolset is available and ported to the OS with (what I understand to be) minimal changes.

        And I’ve never needed to deploy to some Windows Server either (the thought frightens me).

    • blind3rdeye@lemm.eeEnglish
      5·
      6 months ago

      Every day, a large number of people start using Linux for the first time. But the internet has a lot of people on it - so you can expect to see “I’m thinking about switching” posts for many years to come. Posts like that won’t slow down until Windows is in minority. (And that is unlikely to happen any time in the foreseeable future.)

    • irotsoma@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      6 months ago

      Only computer I have Windows on is my laptop and that’s only because it’s fairly new and laptops are notorious for proprietary hardware that’s hard to get decent drivers for. My desktop has had Linux for a couple of years and everything else runs Linux.

      • laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        2·
        6 months ago

        If you’ve got an external USB drive bigger than the laptop’s, and are willing to take the time, you could back it up by making a disk image with Clonezilla so you’re sure you have a backout option if you run into too much trouble getting Linux working

        • irotsoma@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          6 months ago

          I tried a live USB image of Ubuntu and couldn’t get the touchscreen to work. I didn’t try out everything, but that was the first major issue.

    • IbuthyrEnglish
      4·
      6 months ago

      I gave Linux a try 2 or 3 times back when I was in school. It was a horrible user experience and games wouldn’t work back then.

      Now that games on Linux are a thing, I would love to give it a try once more. But now I have a full-time office job and a family. When I’m off work, I just want to fire up the PC and have everything work, which it does with windows. I also have the Pro version of Windows 11 and don’t experience all of the ad horror that everyone here is talking about.

      If I gain back the free time and mental capacity, I’ll give it a try.

      • areyouevenreal@lemm.eeEnglish
        5·
        6 months ago

        It’s not like it’s difficult to switch these days. Try something like Bazzite or Nobara and gaming should work out of the box.

        • IbuthyrEnglish
          2·
          6 months ago

          Bookmarking this comment, never heard of those distros!

          • areyouevenreal@lemm.eeEnglish
            1·
            6 months ago

            They are gaming and content creation specific distros designed to work out of the box for those use cases. Lots of patches and stuff to improve performance and compatibility for gaming. Some hardware compatibility stuff is added too, such as bazzite having different images for laptops.

          • areyouevenreal@lemm.eeEnglish
            1·
            6 months ago

            What are you talking about? Windows isn’t very secure to begin with. Bazzite in particular is one of the more secure Linux desktop distros as it’s immutable and comes with SELinux enabled by default. It’s secure enough to actually cause me problems lol.

            • ruse8145@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
              1·
              6 months ago

              It’s a real challenge to get a fully encrypted system with secure boot (easier now but still hit or miss with Linux) and tpm.

              What you’re describing is the user level security model which is as you said restrictive enough to be annoying, and more controlled than windows.

              Edit: undid autocorrect from user level to user never 🙄

              • areyouevenreal@lemm.eeEnglish
                1·
                6 months ago

                I don’t use or particularly believe in secure boot.

                I have a fully encrypted root partition, with automatic unlocking using the TPM. Wasn’t even that hard to setup either. Bazzite makes it fairly easy to enroll a secure boot key if you really want that, as do some other distros. Nothing you are describing is that difficult.

                A lot of systems use AppArmour instead of SELinux, as this is easier to work with while still providing enhanced security.

                • ruse8145@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
                  1·
                  6 months ago

                  It’s not hard to set up if you already have sufficient baseline technical knowledge to feel comfortable copy-pasting the right commands from the Internet with hope that you don’t brick your computer (which ironically fedora or opensuse kinda did although I eventually found out how to work around the failure which makes my laptop permanently unable to use an older version of Linux lololol).

                  Arch was really easy to set up, I followed tutorials for fedora from fedora which never worked, and opensuse worked until a power outage then never again. So easy. So simple.

                  Secureboot with shim is the easiest, the arch (/standalone) way seems to work better and more securely since it’s my own keys, but again depends on feeling a lot of unearned confidence. Some distros like Ubuntu and suse include mechanisms for secureboot, others do not, hence hit or miss.

                  Tldr I know what you’re telling me, and from my pov and experience none of that changes what I said for the average “go on, try Linux, you’ll like it” user.

    • areyouevenreal@lemm.eeEnglish
      3·
      6 months ago

      Getting rid of Google would require switching phone for me as there isn’t a google free ROM for the Redmi K50 Pro.

      • Time@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        2·
        6 months ago

        GrapheneOS for the Google Pixel. I’m using a Google Pixel 4 which was like $120 and super easy to flash. I’m from the US, so I understand if things might be different where you are.

        • areyouevenreal@lemm.eeEnglish
          2·
          6 months ago

          That would be a hilariously bad downgrade. I could probably afford to replace mine with a Google Pixel 6, but that would still be a significant downgrade (90Hz screen). After having two phones at 120Hz, I won’t go lower.

          • Time@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            1·
            6 months ago

            They have the Google Pixel 8 which has a 120Hz refresh rate, if you can afford it.

            • areyouevenreal@lemm.eeEnglish
              1·
              6 months ago

              I am sure it’s great, but I don’t want to spend that much on a phone. Honestly I think I will just keep my current phone for a couple more years, then buy something.

              Also I don’t really want to lose access to my banking apps.

              • Andromxda 🇺🇦🇵🇸🇹🇼@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                4·
                6 months ago

                The Pixel 9 will come out in October, and the Pixel 8 will get much cheaper. Also there will be many used Pixel 8’s that will get sold for relatively cheap. These things aren’t like iPhones, they lose their value on the used market very quickly.

          • ruse8145@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
            21·
            6 months ago

            25% reduction in refresh rate to only 4x the historical standard that most humans alive grew up with balanced against any semblance of privacy seems like an easy win…

            • areyouevenreal@lemm.eeEnglish
              1·
              6 months ago

              It’s not just that though is it? It’s a slower SoC, less RAM, possibly less storage, lower screen resolution, and I would be spending money to get it after just upgrading my phone a few months ago. So a downgrade in every other category while paying for it. On top of that losing banking apps and breaking the warranty. In what world does that make sense?

              It’s something I could consider when looking for a new phone, but not right now. The fact you have to buy a new phone just to get a different ROM is absurd. In the PC world you can just install any different OS you pretty much fancy, with relatively few hardware issues in the way (such as Nvidia).

    • Dizzy Devil Ducky@lemm.eeEnglish
      2·
      6 months ago

      Give it a couple weeks and maybe by then I’ll hopefully have upgraded from win10 on my desktop to either Spiral or Netrunner. Only thing holding me back from upgrading on my desktop right now is how much stuff I have to save to my new external drive and how it feels like a Herculean task.

    • Aux@lemmy.worldEnglish
      214·
      6 months ago

      I’m using Linux on servers and for self hosting, but Linux on a desktop is a sick joke.

          • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            31·
            6 months ago

            Lmao, are you seriously salty that I gave my experience after you gave yours? Grow up little man.

              • Womble@lemmy.worldEnglish
                31·
                6 months ago

                That would be you, the one acting childish and calling people “kiddo”

                • Aux@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  13·
                  6 months ago

                  You started it, I’m just using your type of language so it’s easier for you to understand. But I guess you play too much League Of Legends…

        • doodledup@lemmy.worldEnglish
          37·
          6 months ago

          Except for (raytraced) games, for your Logitech keyboard, your Razer headset, your Xbox Controller not connecting, your Windows-only Software that won’t work.

          It’s terrible. You probably just found a way to live with it and get used to.

          • areyouevenreal@lemm.eeEnglish
            61·
            6 months ago

            Ray tracing works on Linux just fine. I don’t know what your talking about. I have software to control the lights on my Asus laptop keyboard if needed, my other keyboard is not addressable RGB anyway. I’ve seen Linux work with controllers too. Maybe not Xbox specifically, though I think there is a way to do that too.

            Edit: Logitech keyboards have support: https://pwr-solaar.github.io/Solaar/

            There are projects for supporting the Xbox controllers too: https://github.com/medusalix/xone

            • doodledup@lemmy.worldEnglish
              11·
              6 months ago

              As I said in another post

              I’m very well aware that all of these problems can be fixed. But you need to put extra work in. There is no benefit for doing that.

              • Hammerheart@programming.devEnglish
                1·
                6 months ago

                The benefit is you don’t have to use windows. Obviously, it’s not a trade off that’s going to satisfy everybody.

              • Andromxda 🇺🇦🇵🇸🇹🇼@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                21·
                6 months ago

                But you need to put extra work in

                Uh, no? You just install one application to configure your Logitech peripherals. Just like you would install an application on Windows. It takes like 15 seconds to google “logitech keyboard linux” and the second result you get is Solaar.

                For Xbox controllers, it’s just one package that you need to install.
                This is one of the few rare cases, where the Linux kernel doesn’t include a driver, and you manually need to install it. It’s the exact opposite on Windows. You basically need to install all your drivers manually, since Linux is mostly a monolithic kernel, and Windows is not. I can name enough cases where you need to install extra drivers on Windows, in order to get basic functionality. For example if you want to connect your Android phone, every manufacturer has their own drivers that you need to manually install on Windows. On Linux, these are built in.

                There is no benefit for doing that.

                There are many benefits. Linux is free, doesn’t force you to create an account, doesn’t show you ads, doesn’t collect and sell your personal data, doesn’t try to force you to use a specific browser, has lower resource usage and better performance, especially on older devices, doesn’t have stupid and arbitrary hardware requirements, has better security, most of the applications are free and open source, you can customize your OS to suit your needs and there’s a great community. And most importantly, you have full control over your computer.

                • doodledup@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  6 months ago

                  Since fixing these things are so easy, why don’t we continue with fixing my 5.1 Surround speaker that are plugged in with basic 3.5mm plugs and don’t work at all? And my GSync monitor that isn’t doing its GSync stuff. And my games having subpar performance. How about my Mincraft Modrinth Mod launcher that has like 10 fps just in the menu. Then let’s also fix all the DRM issues with Netflix and Prime.

                  I’ve been using Linux in Dual boot for decades for development purposes. But only for this. Because the list of problems is extremely long. I know I can fix all of that somehow but I’m just not going to do that. When I have a problem, I’ll just boot over to Windows where I usually don’t have it or it’s easier to fix.

          • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            6 months ago

            Ray tracing works fine, I don’t know what you mean?

            I don’t have a Logitech keyboard, but I find it hard to believe something as simple as a keyboard doesn’t work. I have a Logitech mouse and that’s completely fine.

            My Xbox controller connects just fine with no special behaviour required.

            Windows only software mostly works flawlessly. Almost all of my games are “windows only”, and they all work fine. Which is astonishing, really. How many other OSes virtually flawlessly run software from other OSes without any tinkering?

            It’s amazing. Everything just works. Plug and play. No headaches like with Windows.

            • doodledup@lemmy.worldEnglish
              13·
              6 months ago
              • Well Raytracing doesn’t work in Cyberpunk 2077. Besides that, some other games also have terrible performance. Even Minecraft, that’s running natively. Constant stutters with low GPU utilization.
              • Logitech keyboard works but I cannot configure it because the software is not supported on Linux
              • Xbox controller does not connect with the dongle unless I install the xone drivers
              • I can think of a dozent more software other than the Logitech one that don’t have an installation for Linux

              Sure you can fix any of these problems above like running Windows software with Wine or installing the appropriet drivers. But I don’t want to do that if I can just use Windows with no extra work.

              • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                4·
                6 months ago

                • Ray tracing works in everything I’ve tried it in. I don’t have Cyberpunk but a quick Google tells me that it does have ray tracing and it does work in Linux.

                • So the keyboard does work, you just insist on using one specific piece of software to make the keys pretty and refuse to use any others? Does it have a MacOS/iPadOS/Android version? I suspect not. Sounds like a shit product tbh, but it clearly works, unlike what you said earlier.

                • Again, Xbox controller works fine. Wired, with the dongle, Bluetooth. All work great, no additional steps, completely plug and play.

                • I can name a bunch of software that doesn’t support Windows, Mac, iOS, Android. I don’t see how this is an OS problem. Linux has wider software support than anything else.

                You know you have to install drivers in Windows, right? And that it’s more cumbersome? With Linux in 99% of cases it’s in the kernel and you don’t need to install anything. Sometimes you’ll need to do something like type “Nvidia” into your software centre and click install.

              • areyouevenreal@lemm.eeEnglish
                2·
                6 months ago
                • Well Raytracing doesn’t work in Cyberpunk 2077. Besides that, some other games also have terrible performance. Even Minecraft, that’s running natively. Constant stutters with low GPU utilization.

                I suspect you have GPU driver issues. What distro and graphics card are you running? Have you installed GPU drivers if your on Nvidia.

                • Logitech keyboard works but I cannot configure it because the software is not supported on Linux

                You just install solaar instead of the official software, one and done. Have you even tried?

                • Xbox controller does not connect with the dongle unless I install the xone drivers

                So install it then.

                Sure you can fix any of these problems above like running Windows software with Wine or installing the appropriet drivers. But I don’t want to do that if I can just use Windows with no extra work.

                None of this is extra work compared to working around Microsoft and Windows trying to push their garbage. Two Windows 11 systems breaking is what led to me switching back to Linux for the last time. Having to reinstall because of Windows issues is a lot more effort than installing a couple things.

          • mrvictory1@lemmy.worldEnglish
            24·
            6 months ago

            The duality of Linux users… I faced many problems but managed to work around them, one by one.

  • corroded@lemmy.worldEnglish
    411·
    6 months ago

    I switched all of my Windows systems over to Windows 10 LTSC a few months ago, and it’s been a game-changer. I still get security updates, but no advertisements, bloat, or new “features.” I believe it’s supported until 2032.

    After that, I’ll probably switch my remaining systems over to Linux, but until then, it’s not half bad.

    • Jayb151@lemmy.worldEnglish
      71·
      6 months ago

      I ran ltsc for a few months… Then I found it didn’t have simple stuff like the camera app? I forget why, but there was one all I really needed that I didn’t have, so after fighting trying to install it, I just want back to Windows pro. I might give windows enterprise a try though.

      • corroded@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        6 months ago

        I haven’t tried W11 LTSC. Even if you cut out the bloat, I just can’t stand the interface. Hopefully 12 is better, but I’m not hopeful.

        • ByteMe@lemmy.worldEnglish
          132·
          6 months ago

          The interface is fine. The inconsistency of it is awful. Makes me wonder how the most popular os in the world, can that be bad and useless.

          • accideath@lemmy.worldEnglish
            9·
            6 months ago

            You got it the wrong way round. It’s awful because it is the most popular os. If you look back at Windows XP or 7, they were clean, consistent and a pleasure to use. Everybody had XP, then 7 and by then it was too late and everybody was used to it and Microsoft can do whatever they want now and people will just take it because they’ve always used Windows. No need to put in effort.

          • Freefall@lemmy.worldEnglish
            101·
            6 months ago

            “popular” as it “it came on every computer every Luddite got from Best Buy and contracted to every business”

            Honestly, it Linux was as easy as Windows and played every steam game without any effort, windows would drown a slow death.

          • neclimdul@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            6 months ago

            People that lived through getting kicked off XP are like “w11 interface is fine. I’ve been through worse”

        • Plopp@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          6 months ago

          Hopefully 12 is better

          Hahaha. Oh man, I needed that laugh. Thanks. 🥲 This is a one way journey until all computers look and behave like smartphones. Hopefully I’ll have dementia by then so I won’t remember how amazing computers used to be.

    • themeatbridge@lemmy.worldEnglish
      35·
      6 months ago

      It’s like when people in abusive relationships suddenly realize that their partner doesn’t actually care about them, and everyone around them is like “Yeah, no shit. Fucking leave their ass.”

  • Aceticon@lemmy.worldEnglish
    321·
    6 months ago

    Thanks in party to the spirit in Lemmy (thanks guys and gals) and getting pissed off at the ever more enshittification, I really went full-on on taking back control, and I don’t mean just changing my home PC (mainly used for Gaming) from Windows to Linux, but also replacing the TV Box that’s bundled with my ISP subscription (and will be changing ISP when the current contract is over) with my own Mini-PC with Lubunto and Kodi (which is also my Torrenting host with an always-on VPN and my home’s NAS) replacing the original Samsung Android (which had been bloated due to updates to the point of filling up all memory) of my aging tablet, with LineageOS and even doing the same on my brand new Smartphone.

    Granted, I’ve always had the spirit of avoiding “smarts” in stuff that doesn’t need it - like TVs - but now I went and as much as possible took back control on even the stuff that does need “smarts”.

    So far I’m quite happy with it all: I’ve maintained (improved, even, such as my Tablet now having more available memory) my level of Tech access whilst cutting of the ways in which companies exploited my time and patience for advertising money - I definitely feel I’m better now than before: a lot of things became more convenient and less restricted than they were before.

    Things are becoming really bad out there when it comes to treating customers as cattle to be milked and I reckon that the only future were Tech is actually a pleasure to use for users is for those people who take control back from the corps on all of their devices.

    • mrvictory1@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      6 months ago

      doing the same on my brand new Smartphone

      Watch out, rooting a phone may have unexpected consequences, like losing LTE on Samsungs or losing access to banking apps.

      • ciberConas3000@lemmy.worldEnglish
        41·
        6 months ago

        I’d like to leave a warning for anyone working with Uber or Lyft as well, a friend of mine flashed his phone with a custom ROM and couldn’t work for a week until I managed to reflash the original ROM on it.

        It took a while cause his phone was from a not so well known brand and it took a lot of hours on russian forums to find the stock ROM.

      • calcopiritus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        6 months ago

        Banks are a bunch of dicks anyway. I recently received a ToS that forced me to have all my OSs on their latest update, and never install anything that doesn’t come from official stores.

        Next day all of my money was in another bank.

      • Aceticon@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        6 months ago

        Well, that phone is a Xiaomi, not a Samsung (who had already made my shit list some years ago thanks to all their bloat), and the new ROM is just a bloat free MIUI, so from the same maker as the phone.

        And yeah, as somebody else mentioned, if the banking app stopped working it would be the bank losing me - it wouldn’t be the first time I changed banks because they pissed me off.

        Retail banking as a service is a commodity - they’re pretty much all the same - so sticking or not with a bank should be something one does based on cost and convenience and a banking app that doesn’t work on my phone reduces convenience.

        As it so happens my banking app works fine.

        That said, your alert can be important for other people and points one more reason to avoid Samsung like the plague.

        • JasonDJ@lemmy.zipEnglish
          3·
          6 months ago

          Xiaomi is such a hidden gem. I just got a new wifi6 router off AliExpress for like $50 and threw openwrt on it in like 5 minutes.

  • ATDA@lemmy.worldEnglish
    312·
    6 months ago

    In Linux I wanted a window to open in a specific place on boot. Fairly simple bash script.

    In Windows FUCK YOU.

    With llm’s you can get a lot of bad info but for Linux commands, basic tutorials and scripting Linux is WAY easier to learn nowadays.

    Edit didn’t mean to imply Linux is easier than Windows to learn in general.

    • paf0@lemmy.worldEnglish
      51·
      6 months ago

      Registry keys are inferior but they do exist. The last time I used Windows I just had to set some magic reg keys and it was easy to make that happen.

      • Tryptaminev@lemm.eeEnglish
        3·
        6 months ago

        I always found that deeply problematic. Here is some obscure path to follow to set some obscure value where half of the naming does not indicate what exactly you are doing there. Also if you don’t set the data-type exactly it wont work. For a fucking 0 or 1 off/on value flag.

        • paf0@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          6 months ago

          It sucks, but at least it’s in a centralized location. Back in the INI file days you’d have to set the config in various places. Which, come to think of it, is kind of how things work in Linux.

          Related to the OPs problem, do you know if there is a Startup folder in Windows still? Back in the Windows 95 days we could just drag a BAT script to that folder and it would always run on login.

        • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          1·
          6 months ago

          Not like Linux and it’s loads of shell scripts and commands is so much different.

          Yesterday I booted an antivirus live-cd compiled by a computer-magazine (aimed at IT-professionals and tinkerers). The ISO is a Ubuntu 22 release. The things I had to find out (as a mainly Windows user) to set a static IP was way too annoying. When I finally found out how to configure netplan and when I did I got a nice error that gateway4 is deprecated and to please use routes.

          As someone else in a thread said: It’s nice and all that Linux fits some specific uses and users but it’s not really fit for every user.
          Additionally there are too many ways to do the same thing. And it applies to distros as well. A Debian-solution might work to some degree in Ubuntu but if a RHEL way works in Debian or Ubuntu is your best guess.

    • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      41·
      6 months ago

      Edit didn’t mean to imply Linux is easier than Windows to learn in general.

      It is though. People just neglect that in today’s world, no one “learns” Windows from scratch.

      Learning to do anything from scratch is easier on most Linux distros than on Windows. The tools are better and the documentation is light years ahead. Windows is a steaming pile of horseshit in comparison. But once you’ve made yourself a cozy nest in the middle of said pile, getting to the comfy whirlpool hot tub that is linux requires you to scale over the walls of horseshit surrounding your nest. And that is what makes people claim “but Linux hard, muh duh!”

    • Zeoic@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      6 months ago

      Would you mind sharing that script? That sounds incredibly useful lol. I’m new-ish to linux as my daily driver and love customizing it!

      • ATDA@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        6 months ago

        of course sorry for delay.

        Requirements: wmctrl, xdotool

        My left screen is 1440p, second screen to the right is 1080 in portrait so you will have to swap the horz/vert locations to match your layout.

        #!/bin/bash

# Time in seconds to wait after launch of program and manipulation of window
timer=5

# Launch FreeCAD maximized on the main screen
freecad &
sleep $timer  # Wait for FreeCAD to launch
wmctrl -r "FreeCAD" -b add,maximized_vert,maximized_horz

# Launch Cura on the second screen, top half
cura &
sleep $timer  # Wait for Cura to launch
xdotool search --onlyvisible --name "Ultimaker Cura" windowsize 540 960 windowmove 2560 0

# Launch Firefox on the second screen, bottom half
firefox &
sleep $timer  # Wait for Firefox to launch
xdotool search --onlyvisible --name "Mozilla Firefox" windowsize 540 960 windowmove 2560 960

echo "Applications have been launched and positioned."
      • ATDA@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        6 months ago

        Just setup for various hobbies.

        For example Launch freecad on my main screen, cura & firefox etc in their preset positions and windowed sizes on the second screen.

    • Alborlin@lemmy.worldEnglish
      55·
      6 months ago

      In atleast 3 distros I wanted to add program at start-up, easy peasy on windows , Linux is mess , some has gui for that but these three distorsion HAD ZERO option for it and I still don’t know how to do it.

      In windows i want to serch for here is program installed, so easy to know and find . In Linux I had to fight multiple terminal commands ( in 2024 no less) and ev n then indid not come across whwre is the program installed

      In Linux I plugged in hdd and wanted a program to acess its content, turns out I can’t do that without mumbo jumbo or wv n with it Whwre as in windows , inplug it and VOILA! I can access it across anything.

      Linux MAY be good at something , but it still sucks for real Common usage.

      • Tryptaminev@lemm.eeEnglish
        64·
        6 months ago

        I had none of these issues and i don’t know what you are talking about.

        If you install programs through your package manager they come with a start-menu entry just as easily findable as in Windows. If you don’t install programs with an installer in Windows you get the same problem.

        Also mounting HDDs made its content accessible to all my programs so far, without any issue. I think you must have chosen extremely obscure distros or fucked things up by yourself during install processes.

      • Atomic@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        1·
        6 months ago

        Which distros? Just saying Linux is kind of pointless. Linux is the kernel.

        Some distros come with more pre-installed features and functions, some come with less.

        Some are more average user-friendly than others.

        I put Debian on my laptop and have not had any problems accessing external drives or plugging in multiple monitors.

    • Agent641@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      6 months ago

      He prescribed me a medication but when I went to get it from the pharmacy they just gave me a bunch of precursor chemicals which are just toxic if not combined in the right way. When I asked for help the pharmacist just said “RTFM”

      Also, what is a comorbidity?

      • Chaotic Entropy@feddit.ukEnglish
        51·
        6 months ago

        I’m struggling to transition still, honestly… Windows visualised as a street gives me access to all the shops and window browsing I need, everyone wants to be there and get my attention, and despite the masses of intrusive advertising and shady people around every corner watching me, I don’t have to actively navigate the street itself very much. It’s a dystopian street of neon distractions and side hustles but you can mostly shut it out and walk.

        Linux as a street is a lot barer, the street is cleaner and less intrusive, I’m not being watched from the alleyways… but there are knee high walls every few meters, there are open manhole covers here and there, and I have to actively persuade some shops to let me in or even open.

        I don’t walk down a paved street for the joy of navigating an assault course, I walk down it to get places with the least amount of friction possible and I just can’t seem to get that from Linux yet. Then again Windows would like to start stopping me every few meters and asking intrusive questions or hocking me tat, so my move is inevitable.

  • HexesofVexes@lemmy.worldEnglish
    212·
    6 months ago

    It isn’t your computer, user license clearly states you’re renting the software. You always have been, it’s just now they can enforce that agreement more readily. Microsoft is making a lot of bad decisions at the moment, but the majority of consumers really don’t care - adverts and surveillance are what they grew up with.

    You can switch to Linux, but as much as I love it (it’s my daily driver for work and for travel gaming, oh and the community is absolutely amazing), it’s not 1-1. You will have to jump through hoops sometimes to get things to run (but damn me there are amazing people out there who can and do help). Then again, you own it because it is free, and it will run most things with the right tweaks.

    I can’t speak for MACs (too poor to use one, my devices tend to be upgradable or VERY long life), but I hear they’re a better experience in terms of less bloat/adverts. Again though, you are renting with Apple, and are largely trapped in their ecosystem, and they have a ‘reputation’ for lack of repairability…

    • DefederateLemmyMl@feddit.nlEnglish
      9·
      6 months ago

      It isn’t your computer, user license clearly states you’re renting the software

      It IS your computer, it’s just not your software.

      • 11111one11111@lemmy.worldEnglish
        16·
        6 months ago

        Whoa whoa whoa an operating system is not software depending who you ask lol. It’s the program that manages both your PC’s hardware and software resources. /s

    • rottingleaf@lemmy.zipEnglish
      6·
      6 months ago

      When I switched to Linux (year 2011), jumping through hoops reduced significantly, because:

      running games on builtin Intel cards etc, that is, kinda second-class citizen hardware, was anyways PITA ;

      it made my stuff run terribly faster ;

      those hoops are not too different in complexity from installing mods for games under Windows ;

      for trying to learn programming Linux is much less problematic (have ADHD, so didn’t learn much back then, but) ;

      the main issue of uninstalling McAffee went away for free ;

      I was at school, so didn’t have any problems with office suites’ incompatibilities and such ;

      and also Linux in 2011 was in general easier, don’t believe RedHat fanboys and such, it was very nice before PulseAudio, systemd and widespread adoption of GTK3, say, to change colors you just needed a 20-line .gtkrc-2.0 and .Xresources, and your WM’s config file, it’s 20 minutes from fresh install to feel normal ;

      the community was friendlier, somehow back then RTFM was considered acceptable, but people rarely used it, now everybody behaves as if RTFM was very bad, but also too many people use it, sometimes to avoid admitting that they are wrong and a certain thing is absent in TFM.

    • lilja@lemmy.mlEnglish
      3·
      6 months ago

      I’ve been a macOS user for over a decade and I am never going back to Windows. That being said, Apple does have iCloud (their version of OneDrive) which is tightly integrated into the OS and they’re not shy about asking you to pay for more storage. They also want you to log in with an Apple ID when you first start your computer and I don’t know how easy it is to use a local account.

      It’s not the same as Windows in terms of aggressive ads and upsells, but Apple aren’t innocent in wanting more of your money. If you want true freedom you have to pay with your time and energy and run Linux.

    • Fedditor385@lemmy.worldEnglish
      13·
      6 months ago

      It’s not that people ignore it, it’s just that they don’t really have an alternative. You can rent from Microsoft or Apple, or go the Linux way where you don’t have the proper UX an average user needs and is accustomed to with Windows or macOS.